I do. I decide to obtain more complete information.

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[–] 18 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Here’s another mind bender: not making a decision or delaying it, is itself an impulsive/compulsive decision. Sometimes indecision or inaction has consequences. Sometimes decisions that paralyze you are inconsequential. You never have complete information. Making a decision is doing the best with what you have in the moment.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    One hallmark of a good decision maker is making timely decisions, as you said "indecision or inaction has consequences". Getting as much information as needed is always preferred but some deadlines are immovable.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

    Theodore Roosevelt

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    slaps own dome

    This bad boy has over 40 years of masking experience.

    ...

    😭

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Thank you for acknowledging that. I guess most of us on the spectrum have some masking to heal from or unlearn.

    As for the quote, Teddy boy had his last two priorities backwards. He also skipped over the many potential degrees of rightness or wrongness, and the problems of subjectivity.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Oh shit is this another thing I do that's related to autism? I cannot do things I dont completely know the reason for, I also won't do things unless I know its actually for sure going to be useful down the road.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I tend to to think in probabilities. So something is more likely than the other with just a bit and then depending on the quality of information I get it rises. I generally am pretty unwilling to say something is definately so.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I can relate, I'm a 80% at least required information before I start and had issues with work where they started at far lower info.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I usually reply, "Let me think about it." Then I just leave the thought on read.

    Seriously, though. Give me more than 10 seconds to think about something ffs.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Should or must? Cause that is a fact of life.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Always “should”, sometimes also “must”.

    It’s a fact of life primarily because of the preponderance of impatient people.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    There are 3 things possibly at play here.

    Are you trying to make decisions about the same question? If the top score in a game is currently 87 out of 100, and the last player takes their turn. The announcer says the player scored "Ninety...." they won. It doesn't matter if the complete information is "Ninety-five", "Ninety-nine" or even "Ninety... just flat ninety" ... the final player is the winner. You dont need the second digit. Knowing the score is in the range of 90-99 isn't COMPLETE information, but it is ENOUGH information... To answer "did this player win" ... if you wanted to know if they beat the world record score of 97, then you'd need the second digit. You only need fully complete information if you need a fully complete answer.

    Another option is that you already have complete information. "I tossed a coin 10 times and 8 times it landed on heads" -- what happened the other 2 times? You already know. Just because no one said it doesnt mean you don't have it. Not everything needs to be said explicitly for it to be true. "There's 2 types of people in the world: those that can derive missing data."

    The third option is just that it truly doesn't matter, usually because of the rule of the first point. How long it takes to get to the destination, whether 3 hours or 4 hours, or 3.5 hours... doesnt matter if the destination closes in 2 hours. "More than 2" is complete enough. Some things are ok with vague answers because the question was vague. Someone may have said "how long does it take to get there" but that truly doesnt matter, because the secret real question was "Can we arrive before the store closes"

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

    Your list of cases can be paraphrased thus:

    • Case 1: information known is incomplete, but sufficient.
    • Case 2: information known is complete, and sufficient.
    • Case 3: see case 1.

    Yes, those cases are easy to handle, even on the spectrum.

    Hard cases are where information is insufficient, and consequences of the decision are serious.

    Neurotypicals (& ADDers) facing genuinely insufficient information often prefer a decision regardless - instead of admitting they cannot yet make a sound one. They prioritise impatience over correctness; short-term over long-term.

    That bias is a factor in much social, environmental, and economic harm.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I'm aware. Those cases all extend though. Because a lot of times the decision isn't intended to be a concrete answer.

    I just had to conduct an interview. I got to talk to the person for a whole hour. And now I need to determine if we should hire this person.

    I definitely have insufficient information. No interview process has ever finished with an abundance of complete information (well, if the candidate is bad enough or just screaming slurs the whole time, that's pretty complete). And yet I have to make a serious decision that has real consequences for my company AND for the candidate.

    I don't get the option to gather more information. I get it. This case is not fun to deal with.

    But regardless of what the company says, the question isn't "do I think this person will without a doubt be our top employee" or "WILL this person succeed" ... the question is "Given the information at hand, do I think there is a higher likelihood of the person succeeding or struggling?" I can make a decision based on "given the information at hand" ... and when I do, I always qualify it as such.

    If I say yes, and they hire the person, and they don't fit at the company, I can still just point to "they answered all the interview questions properly" and it's not my fault things went poorly. I may also say no to amazing candidates who just didn't represent themselves well in the interview. Even if I cannot make a sound decision, I have to make one though.

    And maybe I'm just unlucky in life, but I feel like I face a lot of situations where I need to make decisions with incomplete information just because more information isn't available, or time is truly a factor in the decision. Some of life is always going to require some guesswork. And we can just try our best to make educated guesses. There is no such thing as "complete" information.

    But I fully agree with you that there are situations where some people are just impatient, and corners are cut. But a lot of neurotypicals often don't like those people too. That's not just "neurotypicals do this" ... that's "lazy/impatient people do this" and I guess I'm lucky in the sense that I rarely have to deal with this, but then again, I work in a field where basically everyone is on the spectrum.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    I fully agree with you that there are situations where some people are just impatient, and corners are cut

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    a lot of neurotypicals often don't like those people too

    Unfortunately, that is not my experience.

    the question isn't "do I think this person will without a doubt be our top employee" or "WILL this person succeed" ... the question is "Given the information at hand, do I think there is a higher likelihood of the person succeeding or struggling?" [...] If I say yes, and they hire the person, and they don't fit at the company, I can still just point to "they answered all the interview questions properly" and it's not my fault things went poorly.

    This is an instance of your case 1, which is not really what this thread is about.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately, that is not my experience.

    Your experience is incomplete and a poor basis for making judgements about large groups of people.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you. The amount of otherising around here is concerning.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Wild. Would you rather pretend neurotype differences don’t exist?

    The point of this sub is to be supportive. A safe space for auties/Aspies to state their experiences. My experience is that the NTs I've encountered frequently impose artificial time pressure based on their own internal vibes rather than genuine constraints, and either don't know or don't care if the information on which they expect a decision to be made is insufficient.

    Apparently, you’d prefer to downvote me, invalidate my experiences, and thereby “other” me an Aspie. Hypocritical and against the ethos of the sub.

    Like I say, wild.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    You could have responded along the lines, “Sorry to hear it. I guess you’ve had some misfortune on that front.”

    Instead you responded with a straw man:

    making judgements about large groups of people

    It’s a straw man because:

    • At no point did I generalise or say all NTs do that.
    • I merely mentioned my experience.

    Critcising an Aspie for reporting their lived experience is cruel and unsympathetic: the opposite of allyship, and wholly against the purpose of this sub.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Add haver here, I almost always know I don't have the information and understand that I am probably being impatient or "incorrect" however with many things I. Life the consequences for being slightly incorrect don't outway the effort of thinking things through for longer.

    This happens a lot in group settings. "What game should we play? And everyone spends 10-15 minute waffling about this or that. Just decide one I have other shit to do and have a job. This is the only limited time I have. Or picking a movie to watch, or what restaurant to eat at, or what day we wanna meet up for an rpg or whatever.

    Rather than getting all the information and making a decision my friends will often times just take long enough to decide not do anything at all or social gatherings get procrastinated for weeks.

    I'd rather do something for certain than wait around for people to find a perfect solution to things that do not have perfect solutions.

    How often do you spend a substantial amount of time deliberating something to only get it wrong anyway?

    Now if we're talking something like the steps to repair a car or do important tasks then yes I can totally get waiting and figuring everything out.

    But that's just my opinion and how my brain works.

    All that said it ally value the autistic girlfriend I have because she fills in those gaps for situations. That really require further thought that I simple am not equipped for lol

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You know what they say, there are two types of people in the world.

    There are those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I’m either going to go into an anxiety hole due to having to make a choice about something, or I’m going to go hard on research for as long as possible to make a decision, then feel the same anxiety afterwards.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    But then we get decision paralysis, and also wonder if there’s something else we’re missing to make the right decision.

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