An appendix to the letter cited U.S. laws and Administration policies that prohibited the transferring of weapons likely to be used in war crimes, and Spoljaric urged Biden to withhold weapons “that should not be used in densely populated areas, in light of their devastating humanitarian impacts.” She warned Biden that failing to “uphold minimum standards of humanity” would be a “moral defeat” that “future generations are unlikely to forgive us for failing to avert.”

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Two years after Spoljaric’s letter, President Donald J. Trump ordered the U.S. military to join Israel in attacking Iran. Some former senior officials in the Biden Administration told me that, in certain ways, the war in Iran was an extension of the Gaza conflict. Iran had been central to Biden’s thinking about the Middle East, several top advisers said. He’d feared that any public pressure the U.S. put on Israel—any “daylight” between the allies—could invite attacks by Iran or its Lebanese client, Hezbollah. The U.S. would then be compelled to defend Israel in a regional conflagration. Brett McGurk, Biden’s White House coördinator for the Middle East and probably his most influential adviser, championed this position, arguing that rock-solid support for Israel would help contain Iran, whose proxies killed three U.S. soldiers in the region during the first months of the Gaza conflict.

At the same time, the Biden Administration’s staunch public backing of Israel during the Gaza war had created what Philip Gordon, the national-security adviser to Vice-President Kamala Harris, described to me as a “moral hazard”—it had invited the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to try to expand the battle into a regional one. Even though Biden and his advisers privately told Netanyahu many times not to provoke Iran, the Israelis repeatedly blindsided the Americans by doing exactly that: a January, 2024, strike on Damascus killed five senior Iranian military advisers; an April, 2024, strike on an Iranian diplomatic mission in Syria killed more than a dozen; a July, 2024, strike in Tehran assassinated a top Hamas political leader; a September, 2024, operation in Lebanon detonated explosives planted in thousands of walkie-talkies and pagers carried by Hezbollah fighters; a subsequent air strike killed Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah.

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[–] 2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

And then we elected the great savior that stopped it cold...

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    Is the only response you have to this a snarky remark about how Trump is worse? That is pathetic.

    Of course Trump is worse, for Palestinians, for Americans, for everyone, now sit down and read the damn article.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Of course Trump is worse, for Palestinians, for Americans, for everyone

    Consider including this critical context in the post body if you're going to post such a questionable headline, otherwise people will rightly jump in to flag glaring issues suggestive of m/disinformation

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    No, I do not need to coddle centrists who kneejerk respond to every criticism of Biden, especially with regards to the Palestinian Genocide, with a thought terminating "Well Trump is worse so stop complaining, this is YOUR FAULT" in which they assume incorrectly that I did not vote for Harris.

    I am not the one tearing down the nuance and intelligence of the conversation about this.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Putting up things attacking Biden who hasn't been in office for a year and change when we have a fascist who actually starting throwing bombs and missiles comes off as 'all this shit is actually Biden's fault'. Hell, the current lunatic is still trying to blame Biden for high gas when he started another middle east war. This kind of thing plays right into that narrative.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 3 months ago*

    How dare you imply two years is too long to hold people accountable for facilitating Genocide, shame on you.

    There is no "lets just move on from this" as world geopolitics are now almost entirely ensnared in the consequences of this and will be so for decades.

    Biden is a central character in the history of our future.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Biden, who? Trump though.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I mean yeah I agree with this but genuenly who gives a fuck? Biden hasn't been president for almost two years now. He committed a genocide, the Democrats before him committed this genocide, Trump committed this genocide, and the next corporate Democrat will probrally be no different.

    Biden isn't special nor is Trump, none of these people are special

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    This is one of the most important geopolitical events in our lifetimes, your dismissal of it not being worth the time to discuss this critically is absurd as the consequences of this will reverberate for the rest of our lives.

    Refuse to understand this past and you will be hopeless at understanding the future.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Ok then why not talk about the genocide happening right now? The genocide is still ongoing so it seems odd to specifically mention the genocide two years ago. I mean this isn't about the total genocide or the entire history of the genocide (which started in 1948) but specifically the genocide two years ago.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    No, if you actually read the article you would see that it explains how things have led up to this current moment in Israel and how the failure to deal with the root problem of the Palestinian Genocide and bring an end to the ethnic cleansing has continued to grow the problem since Biden's presidency into the Iran War which is threatening to genuinely become World War 3.

    The article does talk about Trump, under the framing that Trump is essentially an incompetent fascist who accelerated and scaled up the process, if you take that as an endorsement of Trump or an attempt to reduce blame on him or Stephen Miller for this Genocide of Palestinians than you are way too defensive of your views and need to step back and realize you are being triggered by a phantom you are projecting yourself.

    Also, you are behaving like a child to suggest that talking about a Genocide that was occurring 2 years ago is some absurd stretch of our focus and attention to something so far back in time it is no longer relevant. Are you like 8 years old or something and 2 years is a quarter of your life to you?

    Yes, Trump is a literal fascist, nobody is debating that in this conversation.

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    [–] 11 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Its just a bunch of c/politics posts from 2024...

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    It was intended to be a bit tongue in cheek, but even before the onset of the genocide, and especially after after October 7th, there was an extremely polarizing debate on lemmy with regards to Biden (and Harris), their role in enabling and furthering the genocide and supporting Israel, and the impact this was having on the Democrats ability to maintain power in the 2024 election.

    The discussion pooled into two camps, one critical of the administration and their response, arguing that it was hurting their ability to stop Trump in the upcoming election, and the second, argued that criticism of the administration would decrease support for them, and that to stop Trump, you needed to support Biden (or Harris) regardless of their performance or role in enabling the genocide.

    Obviously the article focuses squarely on the period before the genocide, but this discussion started here long ago, and was made more salient by the events of the day.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    I suppose in that sense this article is thorough proof the latter camp's strategy was catastrophic in exactly the way the former camp was warning it would be....

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I mean you'd think that. Instead the latter camp has decided that it was the voters fault, for not showing up for Harris, when she famously and repeatedly said she would do nothing fundamentally different than Biden. It breaks the brain, in many ways, because the camp making the argument around electorallism was also the one insisting on the least electorally viable strategy; and vehemently. And I think in some ways that becomes the crux of it, in that it reveals a deep cynicism in the apologist camp, that it was never really about stopping a genocide or even about getting Biden elected, because those things were one and the same, and critically, enough voices were making that known at the time they really can't make any excuses for not knowing that a failure to hold Israel accountable would result in an electoral loss for Biden.

    The goal of apologists was never to get Biden elected or harm reduction, but rather, to protect an approach to electoral and government. For the apologists, it was about them, and those they associate their identity with, it was about protecting how they choose to govern from critique. And we saw that very clearly with how Schumers and Jefferies decided, and through media were supported in doing so, a "lay down, play dead" approach to politics while in the minority position. And since then, its only become more and more apparent as we've progressed into the mid-terms, and consistently, almost half of Democrats are willing to just "go along to get along" with whatever horrendous thing the Republicans want to get through in congress. Simultaneously, we're also seeing an uprising from within the party in the form of the wave of socialists coming into power post '24. This is paired with some fairly insane degrees of hand-wringing on the part of "third way Democrats", who make up the core of the apologetics movement.

    I mean its plain as day now. And I guess as one of the most vocal members of the anti-apologist camp, I would say it was as plain as day then. But we're still somehow having the conversation.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Isreal has been aggressive assholes my entire life. Biden was only president for 4 years.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Why do you think this makes Biden look better or less culpable? That makes his choices look even worse...?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Pick a president, any president since they annihilated people to dig out space for Isreal. Why just one?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Because the current genocide is literally a culmination of all of the worst parts of that history and it was obvious during Biden's presidency that this was so.

    Don't play games with this by trying to imply that because bad things have happened in the past that the current Palestinian Genocide isn't a world historic awful event.

    Get out of here with your 'whataboutism' I won't stand for such a lazy method of diverting a nuanced, critical analysis of what has led to this.

    Yes, what is happening now is a product of history and the choices of leaders, we all know this, now can you be an adult about this please?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Current admin is blatantly corrupt. No shame, no pride, no attempt to even hide their corruption from the unwashed masses. Previous admin did some pretty horrible shit too. Time the world recognizes the US for exactly what they are. A whole bunch of very decent people living under the oppression of a broken and corrupt government.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Isreal has been aggressive assholes my entire life. Trump was only president for 4 years.

    See how dumb is that argument?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It works for any president going back to when they geenocided the first time. Why pick one?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Yep, it's true. Biden and his idiot goons, like the joyful and unconditional Israel genocide supporter, "couldn't think of anything I'd do differently, oh, but have a Republican in my cabinet," Kamala Cheney, helped Trump win. Those same useful idiots are the ones that would boast their No King's protests selfies on major social media platforms and then clapped like seals in NPC admiration for an actual king. Anyone that buried their head for decrepit Biden or his coronated donor-picked corporate warcrimes Dick Cheney-praising shill should just go join MAGA, cause they have the same intelligence-levels and morals as most of them, if not less.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    lol. Of course it's Biden's fault. What isn't? I heard that son of a bitch personally invented suffering, starvation, disease, and death.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Also don't forget obama which allowed isrsel to have 800 millions additional aid anually for 10 years

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Oh please they were fighting long ago. Stop making up shit about Biden

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago* (2 children)

    What am I making up specifically?

    This article is from a reputable publication and is very very very heavily sourced from interviews with people all the way at the top of the Biden administration.

    If they are making this up, then we can't really dispute that now can we? They were the only ones in the room and they are telling us this is true so how the hell did you get from there to me making this shit up about Biden?

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    [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    He literally let Netanyahu fuck the election for him by not taking a stand. He KNEW Bibi was in Trump's pocket and he did FUCK ALL to stop it by making clear he wasn't going to support a fucking genocide.

    He literally let Netanyahu walk all the fuck over him and give ammo for Trump.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I remember an interview where they were asking him about his thoughts on stepping down for the election. He said he didn't want to, ofc, and they asked him if he stayed and threw the election what would he tell Americans. He tried his best was his reply...

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    [–] [S] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Providing the money and weapons while denying a genocide tends to enable

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago*

    I wouldn't have cross-posted this if it were anybody other than the New Yorker.

    "Those who don't study history..."

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