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[–] 17 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

Your ISP can theoretically use your home Wi-Fi router to track your movements.

This requires ancillary hardware that isn't present on wifi routers, and then it also requires wifi devices spread around the place to provide a signal source for human bodies to distort, and then it requires significant computational hardware that also isn't present in common home wifi routers.

Not to say that the general method can't be used for basic presence detection - Philips Hue ZigBee devices can use the variations in the background signal strength of ZigBee devices they can see around them to infer that someone is in a room, so they can switch lights on/off automatically. But it requires multiple devices in a room for it to work reliably and they need calibration as well.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Ditch the stationary routers. Buy a mobile router, tape it to the back of your phone and Bob's your uncle. /j

    Orwell just turned in his grave.

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  • [+] [S] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Just because something is possible, doesn't mean that its in widespread use. TEMPEST has been around for decades, but that doesn't mean its actually practical to do so, especially when it comes to widespread implementation.

    There are more important things to worry about.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Oh man I'm glad I'm using an open source firewall with no WiFi and dedicated access points which have no access to the internet

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (4 children)

    i think this is related to this new app calle ruview and i think this is greatly exxagerated. not only you need a router, you need ESP32 nodes, plus you need to be relatively close to the router or have multiple router the bigger the location you're trying to scan. and i don't see how you isp would be able to do this from far away...

    https://github.com/ruvnet/RuView

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    this repo is from a known grifter, does a thousand slops a day and gets them trending with botted stars, then wants to buy his courses. see the closed issues if you wanna check

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    i think i followed the project on github and i saw a lot of updates a week, even a day sometimes, one figure if you at least are all day vibecoding at some point it would work at least lol

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    from what i've seen it still barely works and is borderline a scam, and that guy isnt even vibecoding at this point. everything is just the AI running wild, like this is very visible in the latest issues and stuff

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Not my walls, cant even get signal through them

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    The paper was link week or month ago but this need a lot of train data to even recognize room let alone person. Possible but not feasible.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    a lot of train data to even recognize room let alone person.

    That data exists in abundance and it's even available for purchase in small (consumer) or massive (corp) lots.

    Possible but not feasible.

    Inaccurate, but I can dig the hope behind it.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    That data exists in abundance and it's even available for purchase in small (consumer) or massive (corp) lots.

    Wifi timing signal capture in your room? In order to pull off you need train on room you want spy on. Which require almost constant physical access to measure. In which time you plant spy cam and not need this tech.

    Edit: remember wrong, not need physical access, but need in range. not able to place spy cam but still much easier way if already in wifi range.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    I believe you're conflating the goal of isolating humanoid masses inside a structure with mapping of the interior space. Please, do your own research. It won't take you very long to discover that the former has been in use for decades already, in both military and municipal capacities. I'm not here to argue opinions or feelings, and would welcome citations for your stance. 🖖🏼

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children)

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/05/260522023127.htm

    Researchers say these signal reflections can effectively create multiple "views" of a person, allowing AI systems to learn and recognize individual identities.

    After the machine learning model has been trained, identifying a person reportedly takes only a few seconds.

    Original article: https://www.kit.edu/kit/english/pi_2025_069_the-spy-who-came-in-from-the-wifi-beware-of-radio-network-surveillance.php

    It works by exploiting the communication of legitimate users of the WLAN, whose devices are connected to the WiFi network. These regularly send feedback signals within the network, also called beamforming feedback information (BFI), to the router – in unencrypted form so that it is readable by anybody in range. This creates images from different perspectives that can serve to identify the respective persons. Once the underlying machine-learning model has been trained, the identification only takes a few seconds.

    Paper: https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/1000185756/168100988

    Edit: citation from original article

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    You must realize that those undermine your point, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Only the one abour spy cam, as i say in edit. But this data not available and need special ai training to identify for each router.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Ah, I see you're thinking like a researcher and not as an oppressor, fellow anon.

    The former focuses on evidence-supported results, and rightfully so, whereas the latter barely aims at a hint of the flimsiest legal precedence in "identifying" individuals before "confirming" they're "terrorists".

    In short, the implied argument that positive ID of a target individual within said structure is paramount for a kill order is irresponsibly naive, but I hear the hope that fuels it.

    Untold numbers of innocents are slaughtered every single year in gov't sanctioned events based on intel that was half-assed/hurried/redacted (or deliberately poisoned), and we're generally only seeing the ones that the "police" murder without consequence. (Though, with the advent of televising military actions via "news" programming, we can now see those bootlickers murder civilians w/ barely an "oopsie", too.)

    No. This tech is already more than functional for their needs, and has been for at least a generation now, if not longer.

    If anyone reading this is still on the fence, I suggest you take a more critical look at the wording in the reports of said innocents' deaths.

    The "wrong place, wrong time" excuse is disgustingly pervasive, and in flagrant (and intentional) disregard for the victims in their own homes, cars, workplace, school, et al. —nevermind the indefensible fact that none of them had anything to do with the stated intent of said police/military activity.

    To sum up: they'll "ID" the target, label it hostile, and rush to play Momma's Favorite Crusader on whomever the lucky innocent is that day. Could be any of us, and statistically will be, if things keep escalating along this arc.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    FWIW, Through-the-Wall surveillance (TWS) was discovered waaaay back. Here's a few:

    1.) (1842) American physicist, Joseph Henry, noticed that the discharge of a Leyden jar in his first-floor laboratory successfully magnetized needles in the basement, passing through two 14-inch-thick ceilings

    2.) (1990s) "Through wall sensing addresses the desire to see inside structure to determine the layout of buildings, where occupants may be, and even identify objects within..."

    3.) (< 2005) DARPA's VisiBuilding handheld "...useful during a range of operations—from pre-mission planning to find which buildings should be searched, through post-mission analysis to find hidden objects or people."

    4.) (2006) "...the TimeDomain system, which uses ultrawide band radar TWS technology. Because radar currently is blocked by metal walls or aluminum-backed insulation, an acoustic capability would allow the TWS device to provide some surveillance capability to penetrate through those walls.

    Etc., etc.

    p.s. IIRC, hats made of tinfoil would not only fail to deflect incoming "mind-control" signals, but they'd create sort of a convection oven on your brain by reflecting said waves back down afterward. Just sayin'.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    You don't justify "Wi-Fi can be used to track your movements". Sure, it seems plausible that radio waves can be used to detect an individual's location, but does anyone have the infrastructure, organization, funds, will, and power, to track the generic "you", the "you" at scale, as implied in the post title?

    Do be careful with your wording.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Do they? Dunno. "They" have been working hard on exactly this for well over 30yrs now... 🤷🏽‍♂️

    You tell me. Look around at the world right now, and ask yourself: what do they not have unfathomable amounts of data on?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    "theoretically" is doing an enormous amount of heavy lifting here... tracking specific identifiable people in this manner (especially when multiple people are present) is about as close to sci-fi as we can get at this moment in time.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    You're gonna love what history says about that opinion, fellow anon. 🤢

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    IMO history isn't relevant here though because I specifically quantified my statement with "at this moment in time" since I knew I would get a response like this.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Then your claim that it's "as close to sci-fi as we can get" is ridiculous, considering we've been that "close" for at least a generation —thereby making your "quantifier" useless at best. Maybe, next time you expect a logical response to your illogic, pass on voicing said opinion until you've had more time to think on it. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    where is the vibecoded github repo

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