The internet is mostly known for being a nightmare for your privacy, but I also think there is another side to that coin. I mean, it is insanely easy (and common) these days to do all your internet communication with messengers, that have pretty much unbreakable encryption (Signal). That was not possible for the average person before computers and the internet. The government could easily read all you private letters.

Also, all our web traffic is fully encrypted with https (although that is more of a security than a privacy thing) and most modern phones automatically do full disk encryption for your files. It is also trivialilly easy to use a proper end to end encrypted cloud storage (proton, tuta etc.) or even use unsafe cloud storage like Google Drive as long as you encrypt your files locally before uploading.

I know, the internet is still a net negative for most peoples privacy, but it is pretty cool how far we've come with encryption.

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[–] 22 points 4 months ago (6 children)

You’ve made some excellent points highlighting how common and needed encryption is. Which also highlights how important it is to defend the right to encryption from government overreach.

A key under the mat for the cops is a key under the mat for the neredowells as well. Which also begs the question, how comfortable are with the cops showing up in your living room uninvited?

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  • [+] [S] -18 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    You are either AI or talk like you are

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Oh dear… *commences sycophancy routine

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    And it was hard-fought, read the story about what the creator of PGP went through: https://hiddenheroes.netguru.com/philip-zimmermann

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Signal is great sure but encrypted information on transit is sorta irrelevant in this day and age because people don't control their own devices.

    Who cares about encryption when face book can read both ends of the conversation for most people.

    That doesn't even begin to get into the various 'management engines' (or whatever they are calling them now) that modern processors are packaged with.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    weren't those guys framed for some cockamamy conspiracy around white house wrastlin using signal.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    Contrast that to no one needing encryption for anything fifty years ago. Kinda feels like it solves a problem created by the internet in the first place.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Nah, people were always spied on. The internet actually made it possible (if you know what you are doing) to communicate safely under authoritarian regimes or if you are under investigation by the government, even across borders.

    That was not really feasible in the Soviet Union etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Not like today. Today every single person carries a surveillance device and gps tracker on their person at all times. The fact that you can send messages that are encrypted isn't any different than the fact that two people could whisper fifty years ago. The government still knows everything you are up to, we can just hide a bit of data.

    People were way more free when I was a kid than they are today. Encryption wasn't necessary for 99% of people. To the extent it was necessary, people had one time pads and shit like that. Today I'm concerned whether I'll be allowed to vote after facial recognition cameras catch me wearing a pride shirt.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Leave your damn phone at home and use a vpn.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    If I didn't live such a boring life, I probably would on occasion leave my phone at home. That said, I probably only leave my house a couple of times per week, so it's a moot point.

    Also, VPN is only one component of online privacy. I have looked at the effort required to achieve complete opsec and it's not worth the effort. And there is no point in half-assing it.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    walks on into your unlocked house

    reads your mail

    listens to your answering machine messages

    pilfers your bank statement

    investigates your medicine cabinet

    makes photocopies of your lewd photos

    'but encryption is a solution for a made-up problem'

    Safety and privacy has always been a factor in people's lives. Being empowered to do something meaningful about it in modern times is a huge improvement in people's lives.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I had no need of encryption before the internet. Because no one does those things. The government doesn't have the resources to walk into everyone's houses, even if I weren't protected by the 4th amendment.

    It's only with the advent of the internet and mass surveillance that I have any need of encryption. If I needed to speak privately with someone, I'd visit them. Or even just pick up a phone because wiretaps require a warrant.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn't have to be the government. It can be a suspicious spouse, a nosy family member, a judgemental neighbor, an opportunistic burglar, even a murderer. You're thinking in way too narrow of a scope.

    But to really drive the point home, since "no one" does those things, please leave your front door unlocked on Monday for me. Thanks!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    People have been cheating for millennia without the benefit of encryption.

    There are 350 million Americans. My door is unlocked most Mondays. Good luck. I don't even own a gun. Find me and you win.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Encryption was needed 50 years ago, though. Encryption has always been needed, people we just optimistic about the world then and didn’t bother.

    Nonetheless, Steve Wozniak was a Blue Boxer.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It was not needed by anyone other than governments. Mass surveillance was not possible, and you could correspond about criminal activities over the phone and through the mail and unless you were already under criminal investigation, no one could ever know.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The enigma machine is over 80 years old now. That was just the last machine before modern computing. There were all sorts of other machines and techniques for cryptography long before the modern era. The first forms of encryption are over 3500 years old.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    The enigma machine is over 80 years old now. That was just the last machine before modern computing. There were all sorts of other machines and techniques for cryptography long before the modern era. The first forms of encryption are over 3500 years old.

    well of course they existed. But I can't think of an example of a pre-internet era where forms of encryption of a grade high enough to stop law enforcement, and probably all/most government can read them, was easy and accessible enough that your average highschooler would without thinking about it encrypt a grocery list he's sending to his mom.

    So easy a child could use it... or the current secretary of war (with some minor mistakes of adding in reporters into rooms etc...).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The enigma machine was for government use for a military purpose. Common people had no need of anything like that. If I somehow implied I thought encryption was invented for the internet, let me clarify that: I don't.

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