deadbeef comments on Racist National govt to remove Maōri words from children's reading books.

[–] deadbeef@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

For about the fifth time, I do not want to exclude Te Reo from school books, I don't even believe the minister wants to do that.

This is what you said:

I am opposed to shaping our educational system to the lowest common denominator of students

This is pretty well the definition of not being inclusive.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

You are asking for exclusion. Yon can't aim for the lowest denominator and ALSO to everyone else. This si what people are entry to explain. You are asking not for inclusion, but for privilege to by switched to YOUR CHILD instead of the others.

Yes they should be included, not by removing others.

I'm pretty sure here problem isn't your kid by now though.

Cheers.

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[–] deadbeef@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago

The child has to be struggling with reading to ever be issued an early reader to take home for homework.

If you are in reading recovery ( ~5 of my sons class ) you make heavy use of the reading resources and will probably go through all of the early readers, in all of the incremental stages.

Me and my son have read either one or two every night for the last year and a half.

It seems like I'm talking with people who are mostly clueless about reading education here and are all here for the rage bait headline.

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[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

For about the fifth time, I do not want to exclude Te Reo from school books, I don’t even believe the minister wants to do that.

This is clearly not true because you are defending and excusing this action. The minister absolutely wants to do it which is why she did it.

This is pretty well the definition of not being inclusive.

You should look up the meaning of that word.

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[–] deadbeef@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

For about the fifth time, I do not want to exclude Te Reo from school books, I don’t even believe the minister wants to do that.
This is clearly not true because you are defending and excusing this action. The minister absolutely wants to do it which is why she did it.

That isn't what she has done. The book has moved from the early reader list into the general reading list.

Early readers are the learning resources that take a learner from rote memorizing lists of sight words to being able to start decoding and reading unknown words themselves.

We asked our school to borrow a bunch of early readers to cover our evening reading over last Christmas, which we were a bit nervous asking for. When they figured out were a bit embarrassed asking, the teacher said something to the effect that they don't use most of these that much anymore. The structured literacy approach ( that is fairly new ) means most of the kids only have to work over a couple of books to learn the techniques to decode and sound out words and apply them. She said they usually just use "Pip and Tim" unless the kid is bored of it.

The reading that kids who that aren't specifically struggling do now is more just regular resources from their other subjects than specific reading resources.

You keep accusing me of not wanting Te Reo in school books, this is absolutely false.

My initial post was that we had a bad experience with a specific book. When I boil that down, it was because the book had too many new words.

It's not that it is a bad book. It is the spot it was in the early reading program.

You could make it fit, they would have to:

Seed the sight / heart word lists with more Te Reo.
Find or have someone write a bunch of early readers that have Te Reo introduced as the new words one by one, just like they do for every other word.

I support both of these things, but I'm not the one making the calls on that.

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[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

That isn’t what she has done. The book has moved from the early reader list into the general reading list.

Yea so has prevented those students from being exposed to maori words.

And again for no reason. Nobody was complaining about those words. Not the teachers, not the students, not the parents. The only reason she did this is because she is racist and she wants to throw a bone to the racists who vote for her party.

My initial post was that we had a bad experience with a specific book. When I boil that down, it was because the book had too many new words.

you experience is based on the fact that your child is suffering from a learning disability. You are demanding that because your child is incapable of dealing with maori words no child of the same age should be exposed those maori words. I am saying this is not just immoral and foolish but it's downright evil. We should not deny every student of educational materials that you child is unable to cope with.

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[–] deadbeef@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Nobody was complaining about those words. Not the teachers, not the students, not the parents.

I'm a parent, my child is a student.

you experience is based on the fact that your child is suffering from a learning disability. You are demanding that because your child is incapable of dealing with maori words no child of the same age should be exposed those maori words.

My child isn't diagnosed with any learning disability and I'm not demanding anything. I am offering our real world experience.

There are about five kids in my sons class who are really struggling with reading out of a little less than 30 kids. Our school would have been a lower decile school back when that was still a thing.

You are deluded if you think small changes in the first year or so of a reading program is going to stop kids from being exposed to Te Reo in primary schools.

I started making a list of all the ways kids build their Te Reo vocabulary at my sons school and then I decided you probably don't care

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[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago

I’m a parent, my child is a student.

Did you file a complaint with the school that they were exposing your developmentally disabled child to maori words?

My child isn’t diagnosed with any learning disability and I’m not demanding anything. I am offering our real world experience.

you said your child was developmentally disabled.

There are about five kids in my sons class who are really struggling with reading out of a little less than 30 kids. Our school would have been a lower decile school back when that was still a thing.

Are they struggling with reading or struggling with only reading maori words?

You are deluded if you think small changes in the first year or so of a reading program is going to stop kids from being exposed to Te Reo in primary schools.

That's the intent. The racist minister knows she isn't going to really be able to ban maori words from schools in her first go. She and her party has a long term vision to accomplish this goal and she is taking a small first step in the process.

I started making a list of all the ways kids build their Te Reo vocabulary at my sons school and then I decided you probably don’t care

I don't care about you or your child. I vehemently reject any effort to dumb down educational materials for every kid because your kids (or five of them if you are not lying) are struggling. Struggling kids should be put in special education classes so they can catch up. Under no circumstances should we slow down the learning of the 25 students to please you.

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