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Trump administration accuses United Kingdom of failing to uphold human rights (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 38 points 1 year ago (19 children)

They did the same with Germany. The US is not able to conduct independent evaluations anymore, as the authorities are more and more driven my political decisions. This makes the content of the evaluations irrelevant, their only purpose now is to use them as political instruments.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I mean thats true but this is one of the few times they are right. UK and Germany as well are really failing at upholding human rights.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Compared to the US? You are insane if you believe that.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean, is the US really the metric you want to use? If anyone is even slightly better, even fractionally, than the US it means they're doing fine? Seems like too low a bar to me.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    As this arcticle is about the US administration condemning the human rights situation in the UK I think it is the metric that makes the most sense here.

    Saying "yeah the US administration may be fascists and are conducting this assessment to push right extreme parties in Europe, but that doesn't matter because they are right" is a very dangerous position in my opinion.

    Edit: Oh what a coincidence https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/13/world/europe/jd-vance-nigel-farage-reform-uk.html

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    it's not that it doesn't matter, and no one here holds that position. it's that "UK is fascist" is not any less true just because it's the fascist US that said it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I'm American, living in the UK, and have recently been to the US. The US is visibly fascist. The UK isn't, despite the government's heavy-handed, imbecilic ban on Palestine Action, and their even stupider efforts to ban encryption. Starting with Tony Blair, Labour has had a strong authoritarian faction, exemplified by the dire Yvette Cooper, but so far they haven't succeeded in turning the whole country to shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No one said "Compared to the US." You added that part yourself.

    It can be simultaneously true that "The UK and Germany still have a better human rights record than the US" and "The UK and Germany are really failing at upholding human rights."

    People in the UK are being arrested for saying that the genocide in Gaza is bad. People in the UK have to submit their ID or a face scan just to log in to Discord or Spotify. Trans rights are being systematically eradicated. Are you going to tell me that those are all good things as far as human rights goes?

    The worst part about the dire state of human rights in the US is that it lets everyone else get away with shit like this while saying "Hey, at least we're not those guys." The last thing you should be doing is supporting that kind of excuse.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    No you are understanding me wrong. I asked "compared to the US" as this is an article about the US condemning the human rights situation in UK. I think it is dangerous to hop on the train while Shady Vance is meeting with Nigel Farage, it is clear that this is a politically motivated move. People should talk about this right now to support the right extremists in the UK.

    I am in no way saying the situation in UK is good, I just think we should be careful when to give attention to what because of who is saying something.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Compared to the US? You are insane if you believe that.

    This you? Because I really can't see how you justify inventing something that someone else didn't remotely claim, and then calling them insane for believing the words you put in their mouth.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I asked "compared to the US" as this is an article about the US condemning the human rights situation in UK

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you're still incapable of understanding that you're acting like an asshole here, and I'm done trying to teach you basic communication skills.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I apologize if my answers have offended anybody, that was clearly not my intention. I just tried to underline my point I have extensively explained in my other answers. To be honest, I find your communication pretty rude. I think you might exagerate here and I don't see where you try to add understanding to this discussion, or "teach me communication skills" how you call it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They did the same with Germany.

    Germans murdered my family in the Nazi genocide. Now Germany is targeting me for protesting Israel’s Holocaust in Gaza.

    Coming from Trump, it's more of a "They can do it, so why can't we do it?" fascist whining. But West Germany remained a fascist enclave from the 1950s straight up until the 1980s. And fascists continue to riddle the police, the media, and the financial sectors to this day.

    This makes the content of the evaluations irrelevant

    It's a pot calling the kettle Nazi. But it isn't wrong.

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