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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Do you realize how small a percentage this actually is?

    Only 33% of the pop lives in swing states, only about half of those are Democrats, only about 2% are defectors. You are bitching about 1/3 of 1% of the pop.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition

    Maybe check your facts and stop spreading disinformation to cover for the abject failures of the DNC leadership and their chosen candidates. It's not like we didn't have two presidential elections prior to 2024 where the Dems lost or nearly lost to learn from yet they decided to lean into these failed strategies even harder in 2024 with very predictable results. It's almost as if they wanted Trump to win.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I dunno a single leftist irl who didn't vote for Kamala

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  • I voted for Kamala. Do I get to criticize the republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals letting all this happen? Or is this the part where you tell me that any criticism of Democrats is evil and wrong and I need to commit to supporting Gavin Newsom three years in advance or I'm exactly as bad as MAGA?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Damn, even when you control all elections with gerrymandering and anti-third-party laws, you still blame third parties.

    Meanwhile, here in the USA elections and law say it's all due to our major parties. I guess you just can't face reality, that's sad.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Speaking as a leftist who swallowed my pride and voted for a fascist genocide supporter because for all her useless platitudes Harris was still a better option and I'm willing to admit that; go fuck yourself.

    You want to know why people didn't get behind Harris? It's because her boss ran on rolling back the damage Trump 1.0 had done and then continued operating concentration camps on the southern border. It's because time and time again even the radical Democrats have proven themselves to be feckless, incompetent, hand-wringing cowards who can't be trusted to do the job they were elected for until it's time to "compromise with Republicans" by inflating the defense budget and passing tax cuts for the wealthy. Harris would have seen her approval numbers falter and start rounding up brown folks no different from Trump, the difference being she'd have kept her mouth shut about it and so would the media until six weeks before midterms. Her platform was a gun and a nightstick with a BLM sticker tacked onto it, no different from Biden or Obama.

    Biden put ZERO pressure on Israel to reign in their genocide in Gaza and Harris would have done no differently source the United States has effectively unlimited leverage in this conflict and they refuse to use it no matter which side is in office. I voted for those lying crooks despite knowing that, but I don't blame a goddamn person for whom that was a deal breaker, it should be.

    You know how Harris would have been different, she'd have been competent. She wouldn't have tanked the economy with these ridiculous tarrifs, cozied us up to Russia, threatened and alienated our closest allies and trading partners or surged DHS's budget to unthinkable levels, but the next Republican in office sure would have. The courts are packed, the Dems will always have a defector (just like mean old Joe Manchin), there will always be a convenient excuse why they're so feckless and ineffectual and all electing Harris would have done is delay the inevitable by another four years. Acting like the US' slide into authoritarianism which has been ongoing since the Wilson administration is anything new or aberrant to our current era is either wishful thinking or complete brainless ignorance of history. Trump isn't the problem, Trump voters aren't even the problem, this is the result of deep rooted contradictions in the very foundation of the Republic bearing their poison fruit.

    All is not lost, others are getting organized, demonstrating, protesting, taking action. The only thing that gets us out of this is solidarity and mutual support but by all means, sit on your ass and continue to point fingers at others you'd seek to blame, because they were wrong and that's all that matters right?

    Fucking shitheel

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So let me ask you something then, if it's every group you've mentioned at fault for voting wrong or being insufficiently engaged what in the actual fuck are you hoping to accomplish by assigning blame beyond stoking your own ego?

    It sounds to me like the leftist bogeyman you're so eager to pin all this on didn't have nearly the impact you claimed elsewhere in the thread, or is this still their fault in an election where the Republicans managed to take the popular vote?

    "Leftists stayed home", so are protest voters the reason Harris lost or is it the fact she was a hypocritical liar with a decades long career propping up the prison industrial complex? She goes on Charlemagne Tha God's podcast laughing and joking that she never inhaled meanwhile nearly two thousand people were imprisoned on her orders for marijuana related offenses.

    "Though she defended marijuana’s use for medicinal purposes as district attorney, her prosecutors in San Francisco convicted more than 1,900 people on cannabis-related offenses."

    I'm not sure how you're able to type with your head rammed so far up your own ass but if you manage to get some fresh air you should realize that no amount of celebrities at the DNC is going to make up for the liberal establishment's failures on every single issue that matters. By the way, why the actual fuck didn't Obama push for codification of Roe? Why the hell did the entire blue team roll over for McConnell and allow the Republicans to stall Merrick Garland's supreme court nomination? Speaking of Garland why didn't that spineless coward prosecute Trump when he had the chance? Because they're complicit, we're already seeing the presumptive nominee sprint to the right on every single issue that matters to progressives, if our vote actually made a difference the Democrats would actually do something to earn it but we make such a convenient scapegoat when they lose don't we?

    You're a rube

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Reminder that she was made VP as a reward for helping a dementia riddled corpse ratfuck an actually progressive candidate out of the primary.

    How's that Super Delegate system treating you?

    "when American needed people like you, you failed."

    Shove your condescension up your hypocritical ass you self-righteous blowhard. You've no idea what I did or didn't do to try and avert this fucking crisis and if you think for a moment that "people like me" weren't and aren't fighting for our goddamn lives and those of our communities you're so ignorant it's galling. Fuck you

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Amazing how you'll hold every group accountable except the group most responsible for electing Trump: straight white men.

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    Why bother? They are fucking lost causes and, frankly, too stupid to bother convincing (the Joe Rogans, Kevin Sorbos, Adam Corrollas, Joel Olsteins and the likes). Yes, most white men are worthless imbeciles who aren't worth counting on for cleaning shit in a toilet, let alone accountability.

    I'll be honest. When I get service done in my home, if it's a white male and especially a young white male, I cringe and expect shitty work and shortcuts.

    I blame everyone else because I expected better of everyone else. I don't expect anything of these white maga male shit stains as they have been a fucking nuscience towards progress since the Reconstruction failed.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    As it turned out, the people who withheld their vote for Kamala over the genocide didn't actually matter in the election. Had every one of them voted for Kamala, I'm not aware of a single state that would've flipped. Not even Michigan

    It pisses off both sides of the rift, but the genocide didn't matter in terms of the election. Those not voting for Kamala over Gaza don't get any credit/blame for Trump winning. ETA: I'd say they get to claim a moral victory for whatever that's worth.

    On the other hand, those who withheld their vote and are hoping the consequences of the election are going to teach the DNC or anyone a lesson are going to be sorely disappointed. No matter how passionate individuals are about the issue, the electorate gave it a collective shrug to absolutely no one's surprise. Nothing is going to change about our Israel policy as a result of Trump's victory.

    Some day, our acceptance of the genocide is going to be seen as just as shameful as Clinton's opposition to gay marriage and support of DA/DT. But not today. Fighting about it is just arguing with each other over scraps while the real enemy runs the kitchen.

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    I agree with you. Maybe that came across as anti-Clinton. In my defense, I've always detested the Clintons and have little interest in spending words making him look better.

    I do appreciate you pointing that out. It's a valuable lens to look back with. Still, from our perspective today, shameful, even if necessary.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    what is it about losing that makes you so upset? if harris wanted to win she’d have stopped SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE.

    I did not vote for anyone who supported genocide.

    Why the fuck are you ok with it? there is no such thing as a thrown away vote, only recalcitrance from people who won’t admit they’re ok voting for someone who fucking supports genocide. Go fuck yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn't stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I get what your saying, and to some extent I agree. But I also don't think that they would be fighting fascism if they had more power. When they were the majority, they spent their time building up the systems that the fascists are using. They built up the surveillance state, immigration control, torture programs and the police/military powers. They should have spent their time dismantling it, but the Democratics have the mindset of "It's OK when the Blue Team does these things. Surely the Red Team won't use that against us!"

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Lol. You didn't vote period. So you don't deserve a say in anything going forward.

    Once again, tankie. How's Gaza looking? Because of people like you, I'd say pretty fucked. Especially since you are still using the Biden genocide excuse to not take responsibility for Trump's ACTUAL genocide.

    But whatever helps you cope.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    ? I voted but not for harris and not for trump. I don’t vote for genocide. try again.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    So then you don't know how voting works in America? It's easily learned.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    seems like you don’t. i vote for the candidate that fits who I wish to win. marketing and propaganda have you thinking a 3rd party is a thrown away vote. Want to fix that? vote for someone who doesn’t support genocide.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.

    Even if you don't think so, it still happens. For example, Socialists have been fighting for a minimum wage since 1910 (and still fight for higher wages today). They are the only reason for Democrats adopting a pro-labor position in the 30s. I could go on, but it's all brand new to you, you'd lose your mind. Baby steps.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.

    Curious as to when in the electoral history of the US you think this has happened.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not an "electoral victory"; laws made by the major parties make this virtually impossible federally. However, their influence is still felt and makes changes.

    For example, Greens have been fighting tooth and nail for environmental concerns since the 1980s; they pulled many votes, and viola! Now it's part of the Democratic platform. Libertarians fought tooth and nail for marijuana reform since the 1970s, pulling votes... Ds want those votes! Viola, many Ds have incorporated this into their platform today. Socialists have been fighting for labor since at least 1910, and viola! This was incorporated into Democratic platform in 1930s.

    Our major parties don't give them an ounce of credit, but even a few thousand votes gets their attention.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    neat. where have we seen that rhetoric before? oh right. a century ago.

    israel is doing a genocid. trump is a fascist.

    i can’t vote for either.

    no rep or dem candidate ran that fit my moral criteria on those hard lines.

    if YOU are ok with genocide or fascism, you do you and go follow your leader.

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    Right. We had 15 months of weaponizing and covering for Israel's ethnic cleansing during Biden's term, but its the guy who criticizes him and his replacement that's the "Nazi supporter." Your comments are indistinguishable from a MAGA sycophant and you can't even see it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    One of the lessons of the crimes of the Nazis is that the road to Hell is paved with The Greater Good. The Nazis themselves believed that all their crimes were necessary for the betterment of society. They thought though their actions were regrettable, it was the only choice they really had. Killing millions was the lesser of two evils.

    You have more in common with the Nazis than you would like to believe. There's very little you cannot justify when you have no red lines and you'll always support the lesser evil. The Nazis themselves thought they were supporting the lesser evil.

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