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ChatGPT 'got absolutely wrecked' by Atari 2600 in beginner's chess match — OpenAI's newest model bamboozled by 1970s logic (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 20 points 1 year ago (27 children)

This is so stupid and pointless...

"Thing not made to solve spesific task fails against thing made for it.."

This is like saying that a really old hand pushed lawn mower is better then a SUV at cutting grass...

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    SUVs aren't marketed as grass mowers. LLMs are marketed as AI with all the answers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    I'd be interested in seeing marketing of ChatGPT as a competitive boardgame player. Is there any?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Not necessarily that AI is marketed as a competitive board game player, but that AI is marketed as intelligence. This helps illustrate how clueless it really is.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There are plenty of geniuses out there who aren't great at board games. Using a tool not fit for task is more of an issue with the person using the wrong tool than an issue with the tool itself.

    I do get where you're coming from though. There are definitely people who don't understand why a ChatBot wouldn't be good at chess.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    Do you expect rocket scientists to be good at chess?

    Intelligence doesn’t mean it’s blanket smart. This is entirely on individual people for this asinine assumption. It’s never been marketed that way, so why in this singular case is the definition suddenly different? The general public understands this isn’t some be all end all. This assumptive attitude that Lemmy has is fucking weird.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The general public understands this isn’t some be all end all.

    I disagree.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Got a link? Because people just think it’s cool, not that it’s gonna be this thing that can do everything.

    So there must be some place people are getting this “it can do everything” idea from? It’s more an anti-ai propaganda angle, and that’s prevalent mainly on Lemmy. So a source to back up this “ai can do anything” please.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Tradition dictates that the first claimant bears responsibility for the link.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Yep, go up the thread and see which claim was made first ;)

    Of course you would try this, since as I already said, it’s propaganda, doesn’t exist. Can’t throw your hat in an argument, then balk when questioned lmfao.

    Edit, I also always asked elsewhere, so why hasn’t someone brought any of its marketed this way?

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Yep, go up the thread and see which claim was made first ;)

    Okay. Ah . . . Yep, it was yours.

    The general public understands this isn’t some be all end all.

    So that’s the claim, and it was made first. Now. Let’s see that link!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    And ACTUALLY up the chain…

    https://lemmy.world/comment/17567218

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh that’s a different person there. You can tell because there’s a different name on top of the comment.

    I mean, I don’t have a link to prove that though, so, maybe it is me? Hm. That’s certainly something to think about.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Can’t throw your hat in an argument, then balk when questioned lmfao.

    You’re joining an argument in the middle, doesn’t matter who said it first.

    Also. How do you propose I provide you evidence that’s it’s NOT marketed? The mere lack of it, and the lack of you being able to provide any, should be ample proof for someone wanting to have a civil discourse.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nuh uh, you are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yea, in a chain where the first claim was, “ai was marketed as a be all end all”. If you want to support their side with civil discourse, please provide evidence. Because all you seem to be doing here is trolling.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    So you admit you have no link for your claim which came first before my claim.

    You may again defer to a third party and argue yet another claim was before yours but I say unto thee - wasn’t that claim in reference to one before it? Such a line of inquiry would inevitably lead us to The Original Claim, to which only God or maybe Sam Altman could provide the link to substantiate it.

    Therefore, in lieu of petitioning God (or Sam Altman) for a substantiating link to The Original Claim, or the person to whom you were addressing (unless it was me, we’re still checking on that) the onus falls to you to provide a link to substantiate your claim. Failure to do so will go down on your permanent record.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I would expect anyone claiming to be intelligent to be able to beat an Atari 2600 set to its very lowest difficulty. This is a task on par with counting the number of Rs in the word 'strawberry', something the intelligent ChatGPT also famously cannot do.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Do you think being good at chess is equivalent to intelligence…?

    Those are also vastly different tasks, a toddler can count, while they likely can’t play chess.

    You have a very strange notion of what “intelligence” means.

    A toddler untrained at counting and untrained at chess would be good at neither. Same goes for adults, you are untrained in rocket physics, so you won’t be good at it either. Why are you holding an ai at some weird ungodly bar that doesn’t apply to anything else? No one’s claimed it to be good at these things. Adults who can’t swim and go in water drown, why? Because they weren’t taught. Notice a pattern yet?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    These tools are marketed as replacing lots of jobs that are a hell of a lot more complex than a simple board game.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    These tools are marketed as replacing lots of jobs that are a hell of a lot more complex than a simple board game.

    There isn't really a single sliding scale of "complexity" when it comes to certain tasks.

    Given the appropriate input, a calculator can divide two numbers. But it can't count the number of R's in the word "strawberry".

    Meanwhile, a script that could count the number of instances of a letter in a word could count those R's, but it couldn't divide any two numbers.

    Similarly, we didn't complain that a typewriter couldn't put pepperoni slices onto a pizza.

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