Muaddib comments on All meat-eaters are nazis

submitted 1 year ago by Muaddib@sopuli.xyz to c/veganism@sopuli.xyz

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What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.

Isaac Bashevis Singer

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz [S] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Predators killing prey is part of the natural order

Appeal to nature fallacy.

If you can't transcend your worst instincts and display free will, then you don't deserve to live any better than the animals you eat. You belong in a cage, being fed slop, until all animals are freed. They are not guilty of choosing to be beasts. You are.

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[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz [S] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

But we have the right to kill and eat them if any predatory animal has that right too

Animals have sex with each other, too. Do you have that right? Or do you admit that knowledge comes with responsibilities? One or the other, can't deny them both. And for the record, I do think animal agriculture requires rape, so this ad absurdum isn't coming out of left field.

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[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz [S] 0 points 1 year ago

You're complaining about thinking humans have rights over nature, while defending acting as though humans have rights over nature. Humanity is the only species to raise animals in captivity for slaughter. The only species to forcibly impregnate livestock. The only species to operate slaughterhouses. The only species to trade corpses for currency. These are crimes against nature no other animal engages in. No animal should engage in them. It's uniquely evil.

The life of a human has no greater value than a chicken. There are 34.4 billion chickens in the world. If I could snap my fingers to kill all humans and set all chickens free, even knowing there would be mass starvation, I would still do it, because the math still favours letting the chickens live. They would not continue to be bred and slaughtered in such numbers for your McDonald's nuggets.