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Steam Survey For July Shows Linux Use Approaching 3% (www.phoronix.com)
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[–] -2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Still better than gog as they don't support any Linux pcs. All my saves are gone thanks gog.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    GOG games work under wine (just not gog galaxy), did the folder where the saves are locally stored get corrupted?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The way things are you can't get your cloud saves unless you bother their support. I have switched from Windows 10 to Linux as 10 was my last OS. I don't support the way that Microsoft has forced AI onto their devices and security issues with the co-pilot. Wanting gaming to work just as well on Linux as it does on Windows doesn't sound hard yet it is missing quite a few things that Windows did. Such as being able to have any store run or being able to have mods work without having to run the command line just to install a tool that then doesn't work just because I installed the game using a different app store and isn't explained anywhere. Like why does snap install steam in a completely different place than flatpack or yar or discovery. It has been a headache just to get to where I can find a mod then download a mod and have a mod manager know where to look to install the mod into the game and be able to play it. How the hell am I suppose to recommend using a Linux disto to others that want to leave Microsoft behind if things are like pulling teeth just to get the same functionality as the OS that they just left? Sorry for the rant it just sucks trying to switch as a gamer that likes to mod their games.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This is not true, to my knowledge. Heroic can download GOG cloud saves on Linux. Upload them, too. There may be edge cases for games using a launcher or their own cloud save system, and some games don't support GOG cloud saves, but you can absolutely keep using existing GOG cloud saves on Linux through Heroic, which has at least some official endorsement from CDPR and GOG (they have an affiliate link that gets them some revenue if you buy games from GOG within the Heroic launcher with ad support turned on).

    I get that it's easy to miss this because GOG itself won't advertise it, you just kinda... have to know to use Heroic for this and turn the cloud saves option on. But it works. I use it on a dual boot setup and I've been playing The Alters back and forth.

    For the record, I agree on some of the pains of trying to daily drive Linux for some things. Which is why I dual boot instead in the first place. And I do agree the packaging situation on Linux is absolutely bonkers and only makes sense in that ecosystem for entirely self-referential reasons that don't matter to users and shouldn't be a thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You sound like you are wanting a Windows clone. It takes a tremendous amount of work to make Windows software run on Linux and that is before you add in stuff like companies deliberately making it hard or impossible.

    Linux is different and has its own way of doing things. It is far from perfect but I think it isn't realistic to expect it to magically run stuff not built for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I mean, cross-platform cloud save support isn't about "a Windows clone" and has zero to do with Linux doing things differently.

    Also, it is supported, just not by GoG. Which makes this excuse weirder, because presumably it's blanket deflection for anything that doesn't work until it works, at which point it becomes bragging rights. It's a weird way to evaluate how both these things work.

    And it IS absolutely reasonable to expect software you need or want to work as a requirement to switch over. It's not the user's fault that the software they need doesn't work. If their needs aren't supported they're just going to use whatever supports what they need.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They mostly talked about modding. Cloud saves work on Steam. I don't know which stores support cloud saves and which don't, or which work with Linux.

    And it IS absolutely reasonable to expect software you need or want to work as a requirement to switch over.

    This isn't most of what they complained about. They complained about modding being difficult. I somewhat agree, with things like Vortex not working easily with wine (though it can work with some effort, and needs to be running in the same prefix as the game). However, their largest complaint was just installing Steam in different ways placing the Steam folder in different locations. I think that's just a limitation of flatpak/discover/snap. However, you can create a symlink from wherever it is in whatever directory you want.

    They key thing is, Linux doesn't work like Windows. A lot of their complaint (rant) was just stuff they need to get used to. It isn't wrong. They're just expecting it to be Windows, and it isn't. You have to be patient and willing to learn. That's it. They did it when they learned Windows. They just forgot about that process.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Gog frustrate me. It seems that Linux users and people who dislike DRM are natural bedfellows, yet they continue to not support Linux even after saying they'd bring Gog Galaxy to it.

    Now I'm sure people will reply with "why don't you just configure bottles, why don't you install Wine and these 30 prefixes, why don't you install Lutris", but all of that has quirks, extra set up time, and extra complexity.

    I don't want to battle my PC, that's half the reason I moved from Windows in the first place. I just want to open the launcher, click install, then click play and have it work. Steam has that going for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Now I'm sure people will reply with "why don't you just configure bottles, why don't you install Wine and these 30 prefixes, why don't you install Lutris", but all of that has quirks, extra set up time, and extra complexity.

    But you have to install a launcher no matter what. Why does it matter if it's Heroic or GoG Galaxy?

    Also, they kick back some money to Heroic if that's being used, which is nice. I don't know if anyone else does that. I think the "CDPR doesn't support Linux" argument is overblown. Sure, they could do more, but it all takes time and at the expense of working on something else.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Because one is the official storefront and one isn't, it's a 3rd party launcher.

    Heroic is neat, I've used it, but it still has those quirks, extra set up time, configuration, and complexity that something like Steam simply doesn't.

    I install Steam to buy/play Steam games. I click install, it just installs. It doesn't ask me to jump through hoops to get anticheat working, I don't need to set custom wine prefixes or do anything daft with install scripts, it just plays, and my cloud saves work flawlessly with zero additional effort.

    I'd be a lot more sympathetic towards Gog if they hadn't told us on multiple occasions they were going to bring their storefront to Linux, only to not do it and ignore community questions regarding it.

    I don't really see how it's overblown, either. My complaint is that Gog Galaxy doesn't support Linux, and it doesn't. I'm just stating things as they are.

    Clearly you don't mind the extra legwork/tinkering (nothing wrong with that btw, tinkering is cool), but I do. I work, I have kids, my time is very limited. I've went from being an avid tinkerer on my PC to someone who can't stand it when my PC doesn't 'just work' in the simplest, fastest, barrier-free way possible.

    I have like 40 games on Gog, but I don't buy from there anymore. I want to just play games on my PC/TV PC/Steam Deck without having to spend a while configuring everything, and that currently isn't possible through Gog.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does Heroic support cloud saves like Steam and GoG Galaxy? I have a laptop that I use on trips and don't really want to have to start over or figure out where they have their saves.

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