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Hackaday: Wayland Will Never Be Ready For Every X11 User (hackaday.com)
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[–] 4 points 1 year ago (10 children)

And X11 will never be ready for most modern users.

Most modern users don't care either way so long as it works.
X11 works for most users.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Respectfully, disagree. A lot of the new modern users are into gaming. Something which Wayland specifically does better. I'm not just speaking from personal experience. Yes you could game under X11 before. But it wasn't as smooth or without issue. I 100% have seen performance increases and stability increases after switching to Wayland with regards to gaming workloads.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is that specific to Wayland or due to improvements in Vulcan, Lutris and alike?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I'm sure there's a little column A and a little column b. The recent update to blender with Vulcan was amazing for instance. Though I don't think under wine / proton Vulcan is the default yet. But one thing I know Wayland absolutely did help with was tearing under a few applications.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A lot of the new modern users are into gamin

    I can't use wayland for gaming because I do multi-monitor gaming, and something that was a very simple xrandr --setmonitor is impossible in wayland...

    I 100% have seen performance increases and stability increases after switching to Wayland with regards to gaming workloads.

    All I have seen so far is that I get half the fps I get on citron/eden on sway vs i3wm.

    They are also fed up with the wayland bugs and decided to force xcb everywhere, one of the bugs is that the app just crashes on wayland gnome, it does not happen plasma, or sway, or any other place, just gnome.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wayland support for multi-monitor configurations is better than X11. Whatever performance degradation you claim to experience is also a "you" thing, not a "Wayland" thing. There's an underlying issue with your setup.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Wayland support for multi-monitor configurations is better than X1

    Alright, how do I merge the 3 displays that I have as one then?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/wayland/comments/108dgwc/combine_monitors_to_single_screen/

    Whatever performance degradation you claim to experience is also a “you” thing

    It is one of the reasons why Eden disabled wayland by default but sure thing, just a me thing 😆

    There’s an underlying issue with your setup.

    Yeah, it is called sway.

    I don't even use a login manager, directly login from tty and just launch each respective game, sway is able to use my i3 config directly, the only change in this setup is the window manager.

    Also note, this performance issue is not present in BeamNG, it only happens with Eden, citron, etc (all yuzu forks).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You completely missed the point being made.

    Wayland is what new users start on. And Wayland works for most users. In fact, for these users, it works better than Xorg.

    So nobody is going to switch to Xorg. The only people using it will be the few that have not switched to Wayland. And, as the applications go Wayland only, that will become a very short list.

    It is mot Wayland that has to prove itself. X11 is not winning the battle for new users, or even old ones.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Wayland is what new users start on.

    For most new users, sure, as they'll tend to use the most well-known distros. Wayland adoption is still not 100% and it very much depends on distro and DE.

    And Wayland works for most users. In fact, for these users, it works better than Xorg.

    If they never tried X they can't compare it, can they?

    So nobody is going to switch to Xorg.

    Only those that need features Wayland doesn't provide yet. Not most people, no.

    You completely missed the point being made.

    Did i? Wayland is being touted as the next big thing when in fact it's not even ready yet. And this is after what? 15 years?

    Most users don't care either way so long as it works.
    Most users saw no reason to want to change.

    Eventually it'll get there, let's hope so, but for now it reeks of systemd mentality.
    Let's also hope when it's finally feature-matched to X that it won't be a mess like X is.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Those who don't care, don't have anything to say and should not the deciding factor. Why count voices who don't care?

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