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[โ€“] 22 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

I have a friend that teaches uni labs... God, EVERYBODY uses AI to code the most basic, most boring, most intuitive and easy hello worlds, if / else chains, basic arithmetic, basic UI templates, the list goes on.

If uni students are like this I can't imagine what is lower. It must be abysmal.

I understand using AI, I really do, but come on, if you can ask it to write an assignment, you can fucking ask it to explain it to you as well... Even AI can grasp and explain such basic starter uni bullshit... BUT THEY JUST DON'T BOTHER. They LITERALLY JUST DON'T CARE. IN UNI.

It's mind boggling to think that a fucking 18 year old that made it to uni is so fucking incredibly idiotic.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

    As someone who went through university before AI, this is nothing new.

    Software engineering is a 4 year title. In 3rd year, there were still people that couldn't pass basic programming, which as you may guess is a 1st year subject.

    People that have been studying software engineering for 3 years could not pass a subject where the most complicated assignment was filtering over an iterator. And I don't mean implementing it, I mean literally doing my_list.get_iterator().filter(is_odd);. Where get_iterator and filter is already implemented.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 8 hours ago

    As a 10+ year dev Iโ€™d admittedly likely need to look it up unless we are talking about lambda expressions, but if it was coursework Iโ€™d assume it would be in review.

    But yeah, we had our fair share of dropouts in the comp courses as well, which was always nuts to me.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 56 minutes ago

    The difference is, previously lazy students had to be either forced to engage and learn against their will, or come to terms with the fact that they don't want to, and change a career to something they don't hate doing. Now they have an option of faking an education without wrinkling their brain even once, and I can't classify this phenomenon as anything but civilisation ending event. Not to be overly dramatic, but dark ages are comming

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Glad our uni was programming-heavy and required us to implement our own stdlib in C and C++ and then tested it on speed, accuracy, memory constraints and extreme scenarios.

    We then used our own true-and-tested implementations in the upcoming assignments - like DFS, BFS, A*, graph search, simulated annealing / tabu search / genetic algorithms, and many more.

    While it was kind of a pain submitting my code and automatic testing software told me it didn't pass some random valued and finding the bugs, it was very educational and I taught me a lot.

    I've had 4 years of programming before uni, tho.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 14 hours ago* (1 child)

    honestly, i think it's an overarching issue with the education system. ai is not the cause, it's the symptom, people had a million ways of dodging tasks before it too. it's just easier now than it's ever been.

    if you know anything about indie game design, you know that learning is fun. as in, not that learning is a fun activity, but that learning is literally what fun is. you just need an environment that's actually conducive to that, and it will be extremely gripping, because you will have created a flow state generator.

    but it turns out that doing that, while also ensuring what you're learning is at all useful (as opposed to, y'know, how to pop heads in counter-strike or something) is difficult enough that most teachers just gave up and decided that learning must suck. which is a problem for many reasons, but i think the biggest one is that if it's not fun, you're not actually learning: if it's boring, it's because you already know how to do it, and doing it more doesn't make you do it better, and if it's frustrating, it's because you keep failing and all that failing doesn't teach any skills. practice is important, sure, but good practice lies halfway between these ends, and it's fun. but a lot of people don't get there, and they're told it doesn't matter if you get there, what matters is if you get through.

    i think that's why all these courses are getting skipped by ai. because a staggering amount of people in education programs, in any kind pretty much, aren't there to really learn, they are there to get through, by any means. because the whole social contract is that this is a thing that sucks, but if you get through it, you get a piece of paper and that paper will give you a nice life. it's a nice thought, it's understandable, human brains are wired to understand tradeoffs intuitively. but it skips the bloody point of why we do all this in the first place.

    and yeah, i get why you're frustrated that uni students don't know this. but honestly, how would they? no one told them the world they were raised in since the age of 6 is a lie.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 52 minutes ago

    People who were dodging tasks before knew that they were doing it, and in the end they either had to adapt and learn, or fake it till they learned something against their will, or dropout.
    Now they get through the education without once having to think. Which means the whole generation is basically uneducated, and relies on like two companies for all of their thinking.

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