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Proton freezes Swiss investment over surveillance fears (lenews.ch)
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[–] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The difference is that Google scans your private correspondence and can report you to authorities for any reason, legit or not.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's a fair argument. Although I personally wouldn't put too much emphasis on "can report you to authorities for any reason". That's true of any third party, your local mini-mart can report you to the authorities for any reason, legit or not.

    I am referring more to the Lumo LLM initiative. It's a standard LLM pitch with some privacy copytext added on.

    While I haven't tried Lumo, I do have experience with smaller cloud LLMs (e.g. Mistral, trying to not use American services) and they tend to be subpar for my work use cases.

    I don't see how Lumo will compete with ChatGPT or Gemini (haven't tried Grok for obvious reasons).

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Although I personally wouldn't put too much emphasis on "can report you to authorities for any reason"

    They literally sent police after some poor dude based on their correspondence with a doctor

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/googles-scans-private-photos-led-false-accusations-child-abuse

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Google does not have the authority to "send the police". They reported content that looked like CSAM and the police did what police do and assumed the guy was a criminal.

    The problem is not that they reported it, the problem is that they had it in the first place.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Agreed, that's pretty fucked up.

    However, on some level it's to be expected that 3rd parties may report you if they feel you are engaging illegal activities (especially on their premises).

    While I don't support technological backdoors, there are legitimate for society to engage in surveillance. It's the responsibility of voters to make sure that this is done in a responsible and transparent manner.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Although I personally wouldn't put too much emphasis on "can report you to authorities for any reason". That's true of any third party

    Not true of Proton.

    I don't see how Lumo will compete with ChatGPT or Gemini

    The same way it competes with all their other products; by making it private and open source.

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