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[–] 29 points 11 hours ago (19 children)

I kinda wish I would have known how is to live like that.

maybe be a terribly boomer take coming from a 22 y/o but I kinda just hate how the modern world is, and probably the past is worse in almost every way but damn it just looks so peaceful to look trough those cabinets for info rather than the clusterfuck than today can be, specially with AI nowdays everything is probably fake so is so much harder to know what's real and what's not.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    it was wonderful and i miss the card catalog. searching on a computer is not the same thing at all. the card catalog let you /browse/.

    and the more i think about it, the more i come to the conclusion that humans are inveterate browsers. search is fine if you know what you want, but browsing is how you figure out what you want.

    bring browsing back!

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    For sure, I still brows the stacks in the library, and I kinda stopped watching movies after video stores closed, streaming just isn't the same.

    But card catalogues really sucked for dyslexic kids who's spelling is pretty shit. Electronic catalogues win there!

    It's kinda funny though, I've started writing physical letters again and mailing them, sometimes I'll write something down and look for the red squiggly on the page and quickly think to myself "shit, it's a pen and paper". My correspondent will just have to deal with my spelling, hah.

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  • Public libraries still have books, movies, and games that you can borrow for free. Going from card catalogs to electric catalogs was great and the Internet was amazing. My, probably bad, xennial take is that web2.0 is where it started to go wrong. The original web was too decentralized and chaotic for a corporate takeover but 2.0 was pretty much built to allow corporations to seize control.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    I grew up with these as an Xer, so I know what it was like trying to find a book with them. Modern library catalogs are so much nicer to use. But I'm still a huge fan of the Dewey Decimal System. And when you find a library that still stamps the due date in the books, it's great seeing the last time someone has borrowed a book, especially if its been a long time, I borrowed one book of essays in grad school 2019, it was acquired in 1988 and I it felt great to be the first person to borrow it. The book wasn't even one I was looking for but it was on the shelf beside the one I was after and it looked interesting, and it turned out to be great.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Well, if you lived in a small town like I did, you didn't have stuff like this. And we weren't strictly poor, but money was a lot tighter back then (1980s). My mum sewed a lot of our own clothes for instance, besides the job she had. We were one of the few families from our town who went to Italy for holidays though.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    I’m going on a tangent/rant. For most money wasn’t tighter( in most families, yes you now represent everyone lol). Homes/rent was cheaper but luxuries were more expensive.

    This creates an environment where you looked poorer and had less shit but still had similar overall financial situation.

    The fucking issues with that is stress. And this is what those boomers don’t fucking understand. Yes, I have digital services and a bunch of toys, but 3 months without a job and I’m homeless.

    End of tangent.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago* (2 children)

    I think the major difference you might be looking for is tasks/media that are paced and motivated by the person doing/consuming them, and for that I heartily recommend books.

    audio books are generally fine, but this is the key thing they lack. ebooks do this fine as long as the device youre reading on isn't networked. read some 'art in the age of mechanical reproduction' and 'society of the spectacle', then just some Utopian fiction, maybe start with le'guinn.

    its not the time. its not even the specific technologies. it's the characteristics of the implementation of them. refine what you're longing for. try shit out. don't put on the nostalgia goggles.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    it's missing the point, I know is not better and probably way slower and annoying, but it just looks so peaceful, I wish modern information seeking were as peaceful, and not just like aimlessly navigating this world of lies the internet has become.

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  • that's the thing. there are elements there which appeal even if overall it was awful. what are those elements, and what can we learn about them to apply to the future?

    shit does not have to be this way. technology is not inexorable. this shit is not purely the result of technology. this is a political decision about our economic system, about who controls our technology, and about how power is exercised.

    what would all or most of the modern capacity with whatever you find appealing about cozy mid 20th century library world look like? what would it feel like? how do you build that?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago

    It was awful and I don't miss it at all.

    Being able to read any book without going to the library, let alone getting off the toilet, is a fucking miracle and anyone who makes that more difficult should be viewed with contempt by every intellectual.

    Nothing peaceful about spending 2 hours finding a book, finding a citation about a fact you were interested in, thinking, 'did so and so really write that?!' and then having to wait 3 weeks for an interlibrary loan only to discover that the author did, in fact, make it up in the first place and add a citation to make it appear that it was fact.

    Books are peaceful, reading is great, I prefer reading on paper, I don't miss the part of the process the card catalog was involved in.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    So most of the time, it was like this.

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  • [–] 1 point 44 minutes ago* (1 child)

    I know this is a long gone time but it was quite different from that. At home you had an encyclopedia, a compact mini Wikipedia. For more in depth browsing you went to a library. If you wanted to learn more, you borrowed some books. Things were slower, people actually had the time and will power to actually study these books. If you wanted to know even more you could get more boons or take some courses.

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  • [–] 0 points 16 minutes ago

    Printed encyclopedias were horrible. Most of the time, they didn't have an entry for the thing you wanted, and when they did, you usually got a paragraph or two of information.

    Books and libraries sure, but not for every one-off thing you wanted to know. You'd be there all day

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