Im looking for a first car for about 3500€ which can hopefully last a few years daily commuting During my apprenticeship

Now, I come from a Toyota family, since they are reliable af in the engine Department, even if they (at least the yaris and prius from the 00s) drive pretty badly

But the aygos sold here for that price have extremely high mileage (as in 160k+), and even if they have been treated for Rust, which they have probably not knowing the people who drive a 2006 aygo base model without aircon), it tends to be very noticeable on the inside of the car and all the nice to have stuff

Now, I've been looking at the VW golf 3 door from about 03, they go for about 2800€ Max for like 100k, but from what I've heard VW, Audi and the likes tend to die around 100k, but they are just so great in every other aspect

So now I'm looking for comments from the car gods.

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[–] 1 point 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

What part of Europe are you in? Because it depends on the parts availability. Toyotas are fine, but at your budget, all the cars start suffering from old. Doesn't matter the brand. Based on your description of rust, I'm assuming it gets cold and wet where you are.

Edit: 160k km isn't a lot of distance done. That's like a 6 year old car where I'm from, but I'm assuming you live in a city and I'm assuming lots of people practice extended service intervals so it's a lot rougher on them.

03/MK4 Golfs have oddball plastics and have stuff fail like the headliner. Also radio codes (radio locks out if the battery is disconnected due to anti theft measures). If you do buy a golf or other VAG product, get a VW specific scan tool, like a rosstech hex v2 or an OBD-Eleven. Highly recommend, super helpful with maintanence. There's other specific scan tools for other vehicles, but VCDS (needs hexv2 and a laptop) lets you do a lot of neat stuff, and its probably the most indepth tool a user can buy outside of dealership level stuff out of most makes of cars. I don't think there's an equivalent for Toyota.

I have a VW Passat 2.5 (US specific model) and it's been pretty good at 260k kms. It has some quirks but it's not bad. That said the 2.5 07K (Second gen) is one of the more reliable engines VW made, right after the 1.9 TDI ALH. (Only way you can get this engine is buying a car imported from the US. They do exist but they're not super common and they're more expensive than the euro counterparts.

Basically, I divide issues into three groups. Vehicle is suffering from old Vehicle got damaged by user error Vehicle has a specific fault/quirk to that model of vehicle

Issues can usually be grouped into one of the three groups, sometimes it's a combination of both.

If an issue is in the first or third group, is it easily remediated and does it impact a vehicle inspection.

If it's in the second group, is there more damage than you think.

Edit 2: I forgot about displacement tax

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