9GW worth in planning. Just phenomenally stupid. I vote we put them next to Balmoral and on Trump's golf courses and see what is said then

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[–] -5 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Scotland has an abundance of renewable energy and empty space though, we have so much that the grid often is overcapacity to send it south where it is needed. As long as there is sufficient regulation making sure that they use that renewable power and don't start building gas turbines or dump them 20m from where people live it seems like they would be a benefit, especially if they are taxed appropriately.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    That abundance should be used to reduce our reliance on fossil fuel energy and decarbonise. Instead with every Watt gained it's being assigned to a new, unnecessary, purpose.

    We should be seeing our energy bills drastically reduce, and they're not.

    This documentary by activist and writer Peter Gelderloos explains why using our additional energy production on new projects instead of current projects is detrimental to society and the climate quite well.

    https://kolektiva.media/w/iY2SJKKXcUkBMPPxXngAGT

    As for the empty space argument:

    We should be increasing biodiversity to tackle the man made desert that is the Highlands, not tarring it over to create wealth for a handful of capitalist billionaires.

    https://youtu.be/c0ygPXQ1nNM

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago

    I agree that the ideal usage of renewable energy is to decarbonise existing things, however we are already at the point where renewable energy companies are being paid to stop producing energy as it has nowhere to go. Millions of pounds are spent doing this most months.

    Now the best use of public money is in making sure that energy goes into decarbonisation projects and grid upgrades, no argument there. But if private industry wants to invest in using renewable energy that would otherwise go to waste and result in the government hading out money to other private investors to not create energy then I think that's a good thing.

    The point about empty space is that it is easy to put the data centre's away from where people live, their land usage footprint is tiny. The UK could build data centres for the entire world and the amount of land used would be less than the grouse shooting estates, we should focus on those and grazing land to rewild.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Scotland has an abundance of renewable energy

    The 9 GW of datacentres that have apparently been applied for in planning would consume well over all of Scotland's total renewable energy output. Literally all of it.

    Also consider that we still have substantial things needing decarbonised as soon as possible, like transport. We can reasonably expect more of that "overabundance" to be used in the near future.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    As the article points out, most of that is companies trying it on with no real intention of following through. the current total data centre capacity in the UK is ~2GW with another 0.8GW under construction. There's no realistic prospect of 9GW of them being built in Scotland.

    Also the argument that "too much of them would be bad" applies to almost everything, and isn't a reason to allow none of them, regulation exists and should be used!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    And how much of the 9GW do you reckon they actually want to build? The guy representing the datacentre companies does not say. Even if it's only a third or a quarter of them, that's a ludicrous drain on a resource that, as the article also points out, is not actually in overabundance

    The argument I'm making is not "too much is bad, therefore there must be none". There's even a proposal for a power cap on them in the article. Byt these companies have repeatedly demonstrated their willingness to ride roughshod over the rest of society at every opportunity. We should not extend them any trust beyond what we have ironclad control over.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    We should not extend them any trust beyond what we have ironclad control over.

    I agree, but that shouldn't imply building none. I don't want us to be reliant on using data centres in the USA or China who can then use the prospect of cutting that off as leverage. I have no idea how much is reasonable but I am confident it is more than 0 and less than 9GW.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    The argument I'm making is not "too much is bad, therefore there must be none". There's even a proposal for a power cap on them in the article

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago

    That's fair, I wasn't aiming that at you specifically but at the general atmosphere of All data centres are bad and must be stopped, as is visible in the headline image of the article and the other comments in this thread.

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