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[–] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

i’ll never understand this take. Socialism doesn’t work because of corruption and greediness so the best thing we can do is capitalism, which literally is based on corruption and greediness.

What about laws against corruption and greediness on top of a democratic system designed around production for human needs instead of the profit motive?

I mean on the one hand you have a system that breaks and ruins lives for most people if people work against it and corrupt it and on the other hand you have a system that benefits only a few and fucks over everyone else when it works as intended.

Saying socialism doesn’t work because of a few failed attempts is like the coyote dismissing every single of his ideas immediately after the first try and directly going to the next one except in this case the “solution” is to keep the system that has been shown for hundreds of years to work so badly that it is literally driving humanity towards extinction.

I meam you are not wrong in principle. What you mean with “capitalism with a shit ton of socialism” IS socialism. there is no capitalism with socialism because those two contradict each other. It is all about who controls the means of production. It is either a few rich assholes control production or the production is democratically controlled by society as a whole. The latter is socialism.

If you want markets and commodities etc on top of that, thats cool, can still be pure socialism though.

edit: outed myself as german “usw” == “and so on” 🤦

and of course 100% agree regarding fuck borders fuck states fuck fascism … that is communism btw 😁

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    i’ll never understand this take. Socialism doesn’t work because of corruption and greediness so the best thing we can do is capitalism, which literally is based on corruption and greediness.

    Ah, but I didn't say that. I said communism didn't work. I do think socialism works. Communism is just one form of socialism.

    Indeed capitalism is a form of greed, that's also bad (way worse) and I'm against it. I'm all for socialism, just not communism the way we know it. Maybe communism 2.0 which would have to be made with protection against corruption and bad leaders. So far both capitalism and communism have (had) corruption and bad leaders.

    I myself am an anarchist.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Ah i see then we were talking about different things. When i think of communism, i think of Karl Marx's definition. A stateless, moneyless, classless society. According to him, socialism is the transition phase between capitalism and socialism and if socialism is implemented correctly, the concepts of class, state and money just vanish over time. As far as i understand it, anarchists and communists completely agree about the end goal there.

    That's why i purposely talked about socialism, not communism. Those former projects were socialist projects as well (or at least tried to be that, however you wanna see that).

    I think this newer definition of communism vs. socialism largely stems from red scare anti communist propaganda and politicians with progressive agendas that try to distance themselves from those failed socialist experiments due to said propaganda. After all proudly proclaiming yourself to be a communist completely disqualifies you from any kind of political career. I would assume the label "anarchist" would have a similar affect 😅 . Even saying you are a "socialist" is still difficult. That's why the term "democratic socialist" emerged. I think that term is completely redundant. Socialism cannot be socialism if it is not democratic.

    About communism 2.0 and protections against bad leaders. Supposedly that is what china is doing with their concept of promotions in the party purely based on how well they do on different objective metrics. If that is actually what is happening there, i don't know. At least in theory that seems better than being able to get into a position you are wildly unqualified for purely based on populism.

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