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[–] 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Fwiw I love that you gave me an actual response. And I really like this. The one point in my post I thought was strongest is the wild animal case - there is probably suffering from the victim, but there's no exploitation, a wild animal doesn't have any concept of that and therefore cannot be exploiting (there might be an exception but I don't think we need to go there)

You gave a clean answer without even crossing over into what is "morally" correct which gives such a strong foundation for veganism philosophically speaking.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    Most humans have no concept that they are exploiting animals. That doesn't make it not exploitation.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago*

    I think we might be using "concept" differently. Not realizing you're exploiting something doesn't mean you're incapable of it. Willful or plain ignorance is still ignorance of something you're able to understand.

    Humans clearly have the concept, or we couldn't be having this conversation.

    My point was about the capacity to do it, whether or not you have a word for it or think about it. And I agree, that doesn't make it any less exploitation.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    The one point in my post I thought was strongest is the wild animal case - there is probably suffering from the victim, but there's no exploitation, a wild animal doesn't have any concept of that and therefore cannot be exploiting (there might be an exception but I don't think we need to go there)

    I was going to respond to this, but I'm not sure you understood this part of the the comment you replied to:

    Exploitation, by contrast, is something you can control. You are the one doing the exploiting such as using an animal for food, clothing, entertainment, or labor. You can choose to stop. You don’t need to measure the inner experience of a cow or a chicken. You just need to ask: Am I treating this being as a resource? If yes, and you don’t have to, then stop. That is both actionable and measurable

    Exploitation is independent of what the exploited experience.

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