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[–] 7 points 3 days ago (1 child)

The point of the nazi bar is that decent people do leave the nazi bar, if it allows nazis.

Assholes are everywhere, and if an instance specifically tolerates assholes that's not great either (which is why a lot of us are against instances with open signups). IMO the .ml instance specifically caters to a specific kind of asshole, while also being a default instance. My first account was on .ml, but I left when I learned more about it.

Here is some good food for thought about permissive instances: https://lgbtqia.space/@alice/115499829288185416

Why reactive moderation isn't going to cut it, aka, "The Sucker-punch Problem".

Imagine you invite your friend—let's call him Mark—to a club with you. It's open-door, which is cool, because you like when a lot of folx show up. Sure, it might get a little rowdy, but they have a bouncer, and you've never seen things getting out of hand.

So, you're busy dancing when a new guy walks in wearing a "I Hate Mark" shirt and promptly sucker-punches Mark. You didn't see it happen, but Mark is upset and tells the bouncer, who kicks the guy out.

A few minutes later, the same guy walks back in and sucker-punches Mark again. Same result. Some people in the club say they'll tell the bouncer if they see him come in again.

Mark wants to leave, but you tell him it's not that bad—after all, you've never been punched, and you didn't see Mark get punched, so maybe he's just being sensitive.

A different guy walks in wearing a "I Plan On Punching Mark" shirt. No one tells the bouncer, because they've never seen *this* guy punch Mark.

He sucker-punches Mark. At this point, Mark is pissed and yelling about being punched.

The club members talk about putting up a "No Punching Mark" sign, but the owner is worried it'll hurt his club's growth.

Another Mark in the club proposes they turn away anyone wearing an anti-Mark shirt or espousing anti-Mark rhetoric at the door, but this gets shot down for the same reason as the sign idea—then someone sucker-punches him.

By the end of the night, your friend Mark is beat to fuck and says he'll never come to this club again. In fact, he's going to tell anyone named Mark to stay clear of this place.

The next time you go to the club, half the folx there are wearing "I Kill Marks" shirts, but there aren't any Marks there, so it doesn't come up.

I've been sucker-punched every day, for the last three days in a row by some of the most vile hate-speech and imagery. The accounts are using open registration servers and signing up with variations on the username "heilhitler1488". I fully expect it'll continue as long as we have open registration servers.

And no, username pattern blocking alone won't fix this, it'll help a little, but mostly it'll just make them wear a different shirt while they sucker-punch us.

#OpenRegistrationHurts

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    The beauty of federalisation is that you can have both. But we should be honest - maintaining a community with closed registration processes takes effort, so it's always going to be smaller than open registration. For people unlikely to get punched, most are going to end up in the soup of generally-federated instances, rather than in a more closed-off but safer network.

    And since we're not really talking about people called Mark getting punched, but trans people being exposed to transphobia and things like that, there's also an important distinction that is worth remembering: being exposed to hateful statements is horrible, but not as horrible as being punched. So some trans people do end up staying on lemmy.world and that's also OK.

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