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Israel is ecstatic. (lemmy.ml)
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A tweet by Abubaker Abed saying: "It took American people less than two years to completely whitewash the Democrats' facilitation of the Gaza genocide and put them back in power. How quickly people forget is beyond me. The world is too scary. Out of the frying pan into the fire... Israel is ecstatic."
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[–] 0 points 5 days ago (11 children)

I agree, proper change sure as shit isn't coming from the Dems, but you can still try to pick the lesser of 2 evils in the meantime.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago (10 children)

    Why waste your time on a party that is going to perpetuate the problem, when there are other parties that are fighting against the problem.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 days ago (9 children)

    I'm not saying campaign for them or support them in any way. Just cast your vote for them so the country goes to shit a bit slower and prepare for actual change in your spare time. Organize a protest, join a union, burn a billionaire at a stake.

    Voting for a 3rd party will never give them any legislative power bc of your weird ass election system. If it was a parliamentary system sure, but not with whatever you got.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (8 children)

    Just cast your vote for them so the country goes to shit a bit slower and prepare for actual change in your spare time.

    I'm not sure that's useful. The Dems are a short-term subtraction of harm, but a long-term multiplication of harm. When they get elected, the fascist system keeps getting built out, but it's all hidden away so that it's not so obvious.

    Voting for a 3rd party will never give them any legislative power...

    Yeah, that's what I want. I dont want the Dems to have power. Just like I don't want the Republicans to have power.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 days ago (7 children)

    I see your point, but going for the worse option so people wake up is rather bold. And at least I can't do that with good conscience, because I'm a white cis man, I'd be the last person to really have any consequences from that. And I can't gamble the safety of other groups like that.

    I'm not saying be complicit. Strike, protest and riot. Make your voice heard. Call for a parliamentary democracy, whatever.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    I see your point, but going for the worse option so people wake up is rather bold.

    I don't know where you got that reasoning, I never said it.

    I’m a white cis man, I’d be the last person to really have any consequences from that. And I can’t gamble the safety of other groups like that.

    As a fellow white cis man, not only are you gambling with the safety of other groups by voting for the Democrats, you are losing that gamble on a daily basis. When the Dems have been in power, they've been kidnapping, torturing, mass deporting, etc marginalized people all the time. They also help and enable the Republicans. They aren't fighting against the Republicans, they are on the same team, building out the same system.

    I’m not saying be complicit. Strike, protest and riot. Make your voice heard. Call for a parliamentary democracy, whatever.

    Sure, but know that the Democrats stand side-by-side with the Republicans to stop that type of action from being successful.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    I know the Dems suck, I just don't think you'll be able to vote your way out of this shit.

    But I'm not American, so idk the intricacies of your system. What would you say is the best way to get away from the 2 party system?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago* (4 children)

    I know the Dems suck, I just don’t think you’ll be able to vote your way out of this shit.

    Oh, yeah, 100%. I'm not saying voting is all you should do at all.

    But I’m not American, so idk the intricacies of your system. What would you say is the best way to get away from the 2 party system?

    🔥 🍾 🔥

    It's going to take a revolution

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    So who would you vote for?

    Republicans are currently leaning pretty heavily towards fascism, and Dems still make things worse over time. But other parties won't get any seats. So who would you vote?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

    I generally vote Green, but, as little as I know about them, PSL looks OK too.

    But other parties won’t get any seats.

    I don't fight against fascism and it's supporters because I think I'm going to win, I fight against fascism and it's supporters because I think it's evil.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Fair enough. I guess I was too polarized from my time on reddit to consider anyone voting something else. Thanks for giving me perspective

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    No worries, I used to support the Democrats! But that was before I started actually paying attention to politics and following the news. As soon as I did, it became clear to me that they were just wolves in sheep's clothing, and are almost as bad as the Repblicans.

    Not knowing things is fine, as it gives you a chance to learn and grow. It's chosing what to do with the new information that matters.

    Online dialogue tends to disuade from that, and often pushes towards polarization. I apologize if I was overly polarized, as I often get attacked from people who refute information, instead of internalizing it.

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