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[–] 21 points 5 days ago (21 children)

Fuck Skydance, but Crichton's estate trying to shut down any medical drama because ER did a similar thing is stupid.

It ended, but what about The Good Doctor?

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  • [–] 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    It's not just that it was a copy, it's that the estate was in talks for an ER reboot, those died, and then The Pitt was announced with one of the principal actors from ER. It really reads like the estate thought it was getting a payday and is pissed it missed the check.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    The Pitt being in real-time really differentiates itself despite the similarities. I think the estate has a an uphill battle to argue

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (12 children)

    The good doctor was already a copy.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (11 children)

    What about House, M.D.? Should no one, ever, be able to make another medical drama?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago (9 children)

    That isnt the Crichton estate’s contention

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (8 children)

    There contention is they’ll find their case in discovery. Ie given enough time they can make it work.

    I’m not sure why you view that as meaningful different than any medical drama.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (7 children)

    Their contention is that WBTV recruited John Wells (ER Showrunner), R Scott Gemmill (ER EP/writer) and Noah Wyle (ER star) to develop an ER reboot. This isnt in question and all have been open about it.

    The dispute is that when the ER reboot fell through, Crichton claims that they just carried on with the show under a different title. WBTV, Wells, Gemmill and Wyle claim that it is a wholly different project that did not evolve from the ER reboot, but just came along immediately after the reboot fell through, with the same group of people.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 days ago* (6 children)

    I forgot that the estate owned these people’s minds, experience, working relationships and future products.

    What is their argument apart from base slavery? That four people were hired to be creative, were creative, and ended up making a show?

    Crichton gets rights to his creative work but not those four?

    Anything I’m missing?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (5 children)

    Yes, a lot clearly. They were hired to work on an ER reboot, which means that any work they did for that project is derivative of the rights held by the Crichton estate, which therefore has ownership stake and under their contract, any use of that material had to be approved by Crichton or his estate.

    If The Pitt is proven to be the ER reboot reskinned, the Crichton estate are owed ownership stake, and a payout for violation of their contractual rights and for copyright infringement.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (4 children)

    Why would “any work” done for the project be derivative of the underlying IP? Keep in mind we are under a substantial incorporation standard.

    Looking at the two substantial incorporation doesn’t appear present.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Because thats how copyright law works.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (2 children)

    I see your problem there. It’s not. The word derivative isn’t as broadly defined as in common use.

    Haven’t you ever noticed tmnt and biker mice from mars are similar? Or Star Trek and Orville?

    You realize 50 shades of grey started as a twighlight fanfic?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    It is derivative, in the sense used by the film/TV industry. You may not be aware but US TV is written work-for-hire, meaning that the writer gives up their rights. In this case, anything written or developed for the ER Pilot would be assigned to WBTV and be subject to their contractual arrangements with Crichton. Anything derived further from that material would also come under the same arrangement.

    The Crichton position is that WBTV on the sly tried to shift work product from under the auspices of their arrangement and into a “new” production, to the loss of Crichton.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    Two issues, first, as noted above, copyright law in the US uses a substantial incorporation standard, not an “any work done under a heading is poisoned” heading.

    Second- you’re assuming some substantial contractual rights here to wbtv’s work on the project. It sounds like they were in talks. So their contract is probably either minimal or the contract was their agreement for the IP on the original run and has some relevant terms.

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