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Abdul El-Sayed (epidemiologist, public health administrator, academic, and senator elect for Michigan) (en.wikipedia.org)
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[+] -40 points 4 days ago (44 children)

Mmph. Yes. It feels so good.

But remember, half of these Democratic victories wouldnt have happened without the support of a California streamer and their dedicated community of donors and volunteers.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 days ago (22 children)

    What does this mean?

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  • [–] 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

    The colloquial name for that is just "bullshit"

    They are just trying to plug Hasan Piker and glue him to El-Sayed

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  • [+] -20 points 4 days ago (10 children)

    El Sayed doesnʻt get through the primary without the support of Hasan and the Hasan-adjacent community. This isnʻt a debate. Its in the permanent record. Hasan builds up good candidates early on when the level of volunteering and donations from a community of that size can make a difference. Those candidates that Hasan supported, by and large, won across the board last night, and have been winning across the board since 2025.

    Without Hasan, Michigan gets sleeper fascist Haley Stevens.

    Without Hasan, NYC gets Andrew Cuomo instead of the, currently, most popular Mayor in US history.

    You donʻt have to agree. But you not agreeing doesnʻt change the truth of it that, in part because corporate and zionist Democrats and Republican tried to make Hasan a boogey man, and then because Hasanʻs candidates WIPED THE FUCKING FLOOR and were INTEGRAL to the most signficiant election (perhaps?) in the past 60 years. Like, pretending Hasan doesnʻt matter doesnʻt change how much Hasan matters: it just makes you look like a increasingly irrelevant apologist for a form of politics the US doesnʻt want anything to do with.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    El Sayed doesnʻt get through the primary without the support of Hasan and the Hasan-adjacent community. This isnʻt a debate. Its in the permanent record. Hasan builds up good candidates early on when the level of volunteering and donations from a community of that size can make a difference. Those candidates that Hasan supported, by and large, won across the board last night, and have been winning across the board since 2025.

    The exact same thing can be said about MS Now, The Rational National, Democracy Now, Breaking points, etc (basically any left leaning outlet)... so I guess you should thank them as well?

    Without Hasan, Michigan gets sleeper fascist Haley Stevens.

    Without Hasan, NYC gets Andrew Cuomo instead of the, currently, most popular Mayor in US history.

    Amazing that you can see the threads of the multiverse

    You donʻt have to agree. But you not agreeing doesnʻt change the truth

    It will definitely not changed YOUR mind which is already made without been able to provide a single shred of concrete evidence... but that's OK, you can believe whatever you want. It just gets sad when you want to apply your religion to the rest

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    Dog, I watch Hasan everyday and even he says he doesn't matter. You need to chill

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  • [+] -10 points 4 days ago* (6 children)

    Iʻm not asking Hasanʻs opinion. Iʻm making a statement that I donʻt think can be argued with, which is that in several primary races from 2025-2026, Hasan Pikers early involvement brought visibility, volunteers, and legitimacy to candidates who otherwise would have been boxed out as a result of our existing corporate media landscape. Hasan is engaging with candidates who poll are polling at 1%, and getting them the funding and volunteer base to get them to the 10-20% range where a campaign becomes self sufficient the fly wheel process takes a life of its own.

    Hasan has downplayed his influence in the past because if they didnʻt, they would become the target and it could hurt that influence. Its a strategic comment to try and extend the runway they did materially have. Its now undeniable. Hasanʻs name was in the mouth of some of the most powerful peoples mouths in the world the past 3 months. They elevated his profile to this level. And if it had been a shellacking for left wing democrats, that would be the end of it for Hasan. But its the opposite of that. Hasanʻs picks whooped ass.

    Conservative Democrats and "moderates" have been bullying the left for decades. Its turn tables now.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    ... that I don't think can be argued with...

    ... lol you live in a bubble and it's full of your own farts. Stop sniffing your own farts.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Then argue with it. Actually engage.

    Do you think El Sayed makes it through the primary without out the support of Hasan and others like them on the left? Assuming Stevens could even win a general, we quite literally would have ended up with a second Fetterman.

    Without Hasan, El Sayed doesnʻt leave the primary. McMorrough and Stevens consolidate and Stevens wins. Instead, McMorrough leans into the islamaphobia and lasers in on the Hasan connection and it loses her the election. El Sayed consolidates instead.

    Literally, if not for Hasan, that seat stays red or at best is in the hands of an actual ziofascist.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    lol

    You're making the continued mistake of assuming these votes are in support of Dems and the left and not anti-Trump votes.

    You also make the massive, asinine assumption that most voters even know who Hasan is, let alone his politics beyond, "the US deserved 9/11".

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  • [–] -4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Weʻre talking about a primary almost 6 months ago dawg.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 days ago (9 children)

    Americans prefer the politics of Hasan Piker to those of fascists.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    Let me know when Hasan runs for office and is elected

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  • [+] -9 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    Iʻve had to suffer through James Carville deciding who should and shouldn't run and how for the past 40 years. You can suffer through Hasan for the next 40.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    So you admit he's a meaningless blowhard like Carville?

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  • [–] -3 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    Not sure why you think Carville is meaningless, considering theyʻve dictated DNC strategy for the previous two years.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Yea, on stupid pundit coverage which 0.005% of the population even watch when they're not stuck at the airport or DMV waiting room.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    Carville outlined the strategy Jefferies and Schumers deployed: To roll over and play dead while fascism took over. Its not speculation. Its what happened.

    I think it was almost 250k peak on Hasans live stream last night?

    So closer to 0.75%, or 170x your number. And yeah, rounding up to 1% is still a small number. But this treadmill youʻve got us on is just goal posting moving, because across the entirety of politics, its Hasanʻs stream that was putting up those numbers. Political sickoʻs are a small portion of the population; but of that small population, its Hasan who, for the moment, is breaking through.

    This means they have (and the demonstrably have had) disproportionate influence. Carville coasted for 40 years on "Its the economy stupid" and was a central figure of politics after that.. What Hasan was a part of last night was an earthquake compared to Carville. Expect to hear their name constantly. Expect us to never shut up about them.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    There are over 265 million adults in the US, so you might want to check your shitty dumbass math. (btw, mine was a joke, but it's still closer to reality than your dumb ass)

    I could've told you Dems would roll over. The fuck does Carville matter when he's saying the most obvious shit ever?

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  • [–] -3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Oh your right! My numbers should actually be higher!

    Hasan was pulling almost a full percent of the US population equivilent. Even more than I got from the back of the napkin. Youʻre right. Theyʻre more popular than I had even estimated.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    I mean, I don't know a ton about Hasan, my fav internet leftist is someone else, but like, would he want you antagonizing and trying to start shit with people in spaces that are generally pretty leftist if they dont give him personally all the credit for Sayed's election?

    That seems like really childish behavior and maybe more importantly, bad praxis.

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  • [+] -18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Fucking miss me. I dont give a shit what you want to project onto someone you donʻt know. I could really give a shit for a disciplining effort from people who in bad faith have been sabotaging any kind of leftward movement in this country for decades.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    The people sabotaging leftward movement for decades really aren't the people you're talking to right now.

    It might be a good idea to step away for a minute- I cannot stress enough that starting inane fights about the electoral importance of hassan piker with people who are also happy to see Sayed win is bad praxis. This does not serve any productive end, it just increases infighting and anger among the people you're in community with.

    Take care.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    No it is. Its exactly those people who said that we needed to vote for a genocide instead of demanding that candidate do better who today's victory is a vindication against. That we need to moderate our positions. That we need to police our tone when it comes to equality for all.

    This is a vindication against moderation

    It might be a good idea to step away for a minute-

    Its not a train station bruddah. No need to announce your departure.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    No one you're talking to is advocating for genocide or wants moderate democrats, we're celebrating Sayed's win. Thats what everyone in this thread is doing.

    Literally the entire thread is people being happy Sayed won

    I do agree Hasan deserves to be on the long list of people centrist Democrats apologize to, along with Sayed himself and mamdani (what a crazy coincidence, they're all brown, wonder what that has to do with anything). But starting fights over whether Hasan gave him the election with other people who are happy Sayed won and calling them liberals for not being Hasan fans, even though we're all here celebrating, is a bleak way to engage with the people around you and makes you look like a psyop trying to sow discord.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    I don't think Piker was that instrumental in how good the Democrat campaigns were this time...

    But I do credit him for getting into Republican media talking heads' heads and living rent-free, to the point that they put out a thirst-trap photo from his IG on the jumbotron at the RNC Trumpapalooza.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I don’t think Piker was that instrumental in how good the Democrat campaigns were this time…

    By the time the general came around, the flywheel was already going. But if this is the extend of your understanding or thinking, youʻve missed almost entirely the whole story and point.

    The point is that Hasan backed and supported candidates months ago who were willing to break with establishment Democrat ties in a manner which actually got people excited and involved. Without Hasan, there is no Abdul El Sayed. They simply donʻt make it through the primary. And without a candidate on the table as exciting and directly confrontational to establishment democrats, there is no Blue-nami. You donʻt get a Blue-nami when its Stevens or Janet Mills across the board: those kinds of candidates decrease turnout.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child)

    I was talking with awareness of the context of the primaries. Stevens was the DNC favourite but she was still evidently an Israel bootlicker and didn't perform well at the debate. El-Sayed got pre-primary endorsements from UAW and has had strong individual and collective support from labour union members. Not to say Piker didn't help signal boost the campaign a lot, just to say Senator-elect El-Sayed would have never gotten through the primary without him is not necessarily true, there were many axes of support that converged and primary voters also compared the quality of candidates directly. And El Sayed used the fact that gobs of cash were being lobbed into the race to defeat him to his benefit.

    I'm just tempering the argument that Piker is the primary or sole reason why we got the result we did, it's a whole bunch of factors, a bunch of rural faces got eaten between the ICE raids, more new wars and gas prices, Republicans primaried particularly shitty candidates because they were measured by their fealty to Trump. It's a bit of No Kings rallies driving people to vote as tangible action against this admin, and finally it's the Mamdani effect where sewer socialism, left-wing populism that purports to go beyond ideology to focus on making a tangible difference for everyone while enshrining rights for the underprivileged.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    Its not even close. This is for a podcast Iʻll be doing later this week:

    If we assume a random prior, Chuck Schumer and Democratic establishment support was a net negative in the primary, where-as association with Hasan Piker was a net positive. And not by a little. Association with Hasan in the primary resulted in a 50% better result in regards to winning their primaries than association with Chuck Schumer. Hasan picks also outperformed Schumer picks in the general by a significant margin. Their ability to convert from primary picks, to won races makes Hasan Piker definitionally a king maker. Their primary picks won their elections.

    You can have different opinions on the particulars of why it may be this way, but you do not have space to have your own facts on the matter. And the fact of the matter is that Hasans involvement, especially early, in these primaries won candidates their elections.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    Nope. Never seen, heard or watched that tool except for fools comments and posts like yours.

    Seriously last night watching Democracy Now was the very first time I’d ever bothered watching him.

    The vast majority of us don’t even know wtf twitch is and give zero fucks about influencers.

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  • [+] -27 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    Like all worthless centrists, youʻve missed the point.

    Hasan, and people like ourselves: Weʻre why Democrats won. We put forward leftwing and socialist candidates across the board, and we won. No one give a fuck that you donʻt know who they are; you not knowing simply means you arenʻt steering ship. You a passenger.

    Centrism is a dying cancer; a worthless skintag to be frozen off during an appointment with a dermatologist.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    Wow I should be thank some dumb self-important asshole from Lemmy than than people who actually did the work.

    Go fuck yourself kid.

    Not even close to centrist you silly dumb fuck

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    Who won this election...

    A. The people knocking on doors, organizers, grassroots volunteers and donors, the multiple household-name politicians who campaigned with El-Sayed, the actual 2.5 million people physically in Michigan who showed up to vote for him, El-Sayed himself keeping steadfast to his wildly popular platform...

    B. Some random influencer that showed up for a photo-op and his 2 million parasocial parasites who might [generously, if we assume they're all Americans] make up 0.05% of the voting population of Michigan

    This guy has never left his echo chamber and it shows.

    Also: "we [who...?] put forth these popular candidates"... My dude El-Sayed wasn't endorsed by the DSA or any notable radical progressive bloc. The dude ran his campaign with charisma and easy to digest policy against ghoulish opposition. His main building blocks were traditional Michigan cohorts (unions) and the underrepresented Arab/immigrant population of SE Michigan.

    The exit polls show basically no change in people shifting their label from conservative to progressive. He just ran a good campaign with wide support. This guy needs to get over himself and touch some grass.

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  • [+] -25 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    I love these fucking clueless fucking cuckold lib accounts on their crashout. Its FUCKING GLORIOUS!!

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    Really out here completely loosing it while everyone else ITT seems to be celebrating a collective win.

    But not crediting your celeb dejour enough makes them lib cucks. Hmm, where have we heard that language before? Super weird.

    Anyway, glad you like a streamer and are enjoying your first drink apparently. Cheers to an Al-Sayed victory and all who supported him along the way.

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