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A Crusader Kings fan makes a small request (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

Yes, but these were all through first cousin marriages which were only legal if the Pope gave permission. What most CK3 players do is marry their kids so they don't lose shit-tons of land because of the stupid partition system they are using.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    If you read it, it was much more than first cousin marriages. There were brothers marrying sisters, Uncles marrying their nieces, first cousins, second cousins....if there was a type of incest, you can bet your ass a 'Royal Highness' has practiced it at some point.

    What most CK3 players do is marry their kids

    I hope you mean to say that they marry their kids to each other, though that's only relatively (get it?) better than marrying your own kids. Not a sustainable long term sexual practice at any rate.

    so they don’t lose shit-tons of land because of the stupid partition system they are using.

    Not losing out on land and wealth is precisely why Consanguinity was practiced among 'royalty'. You are basically mad at your historical game for being historically accurate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    The historical reason for cousin marriage were generally to cement alliances between relatives and to keep land in the family should the male line of some house die out, those aren't the reason you marry relatives CK3.

    In CK3 you marry relatives because you want your children to be herculean beautiful geniuses and to stop your daughters weak claim from becoming a problem.

    I generally don't really like such list articles as they are mostly sensationalist and cheap, this being the perfect example of one. In the case of CK we are not talking about inbreeding in the Egyptian dynasties (which had religious rather than practical reasons). Hawai'i seems similar though I know to little about their nobility to judge. The section they have about Roman inbreeding was honestly just terrible and completely divorced from reality. I am not aware of any marriage between siblings among European nobility (between like 600-now) (other than Jean V of Armagnac that I just found on Wikipedia and which upon first read sounds like an extreme exception). Could you name another one?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    In CK3 you marry relatives because you want your children to be herculean beautiful geniuses

    Well that's clearly not accurate.

    to stop your daughters weak claim from becoming a problem.

    What does this mean?

    In the case of CK we are not talking about inbreeding in the Egyptian dynasties

    Obviously. The point is that inbreeding among douchebag families that fancied themselves better than others (Royals) has been extremely common throughout history- Including medieval Europe.

    I am not aware of any marriage between siblings among European nobility (between like 600-now),Could you name another one?

    Julien and Marguerite de Ravalet they were executed for it though.

    Really, First Cousin marriage was only slightly better than sibling marriage anyway considering that a single family (dynasty) would often marry close relatives for hundred of years- it was nearly the same thing when talking about genetic diversity.

    For example Charles II of Spain's family tree was fucked. His parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were all related to each other. His Mom was his Dads Niece, making his Grandma his Aunt, His Maternal Great Grandfather was also his Paternal Great Uncle, and 3 of his 4 of great grandparents were products of incest in the first place. His Coefficient of Inbreeding (COI) was 0.25, which is the same as it would be if his parents were brother and sister.

    I've thought way too much about incest for one day. Idk if this will help you play your game better or not, but I think this is about as deep of a dive as I can stomach for now.

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