▲ 499 ▼ Amsterdam server seized at request of U.S. authorities after “far left” allegations (nltimes.nl) submitted 3 weeks ago by Forsho@sh.itjust.works to c/technology@lemmy.world 87 comments fedilink hide all child comments Cosplaying to be anti “American Tech”, then kissing the empire hand for blessing. This is called “neoliberal euro syndrome”.
[–] CoconutLove@lemmy.today 43 points 3 weeks ago (21 children) What crime was committed? permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 109 points 3 weeks ago (15 children) Enjoying a succulent Chinese meal. But, more seriously... The seized server belongs to Italian internet provider Autistici/Inventati (A/I). Dutch police are creating a digital image of its data to hand over to U.S. authorities, as required under the American request for legal assistance. For years, A/I offered free website hosting and email services to thousands of organizations. It attracted the attention of the Trump administration, which regards antifa as a terrorist organization. In late August, U.S. authorities also labeled A/I a terrorist organization, alleging that it had supported antifa. NRC described the move as exceptional, noting that internet service providers are not usually held liable for what their users do. Just looks like they were hosting traffic that Trump decided to label as Antifa and therefore Terrorist. No indication of what that traffic actually was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child) Dude what the fuck Amsterdam, I am extremely disappointed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago Makes me wonder about startpage, the search engine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) So destroying their org wasn't enough. Kinda seems like they know somebody in that community has information they're trying to control... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Forsho@sh.itjust.works [S] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) It might be, but if you trace this from earlier, then I don't think they are after a specific someone. they want data, anything that is not accessible for them before, they want to have it. i mean plantir or any other “mossad agency” is creating digital ID for everyone as we speak, big data llm is capable to identify who and where and what you are in seconds, as long as you feed it data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago Primarily they are after information on the groups opposing their far right buddies trying to seize control of europe. Maybe some specific stuff too, but I thought that was clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago I definitely concede there's no way of knowing. And going for overkill fits the regime's MO. Just felt odd, I guess, mainly because they have such an insane intelligence apparatus, actually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (8 children) Dutch police are creating a digital image of its data to hand over to U.S. authorities, as required under the American request for legal assistance. As required under fucking what? Also, just to belabor the point, trump is Profa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 19 points 3 weeks ago (6 children) MLAT - Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. These treaties have been around since the 80's, though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children) Not valid unless it was a crime in the country the request is filed to. There's no "they asked so we had to" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The claim is terrorism and violent extremism, which would be a crime that meets criteria. And again: though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 weeks ago I don't understand why people on the Internet will argue with someone answering questions about legal stuff as if the answerer is supporting that position or something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah so they need to present some basic evidence, not just an accusation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago They haven't actually shared anything yet, afaik. When the request comes in the authorities have basically no wiggle room regarding safeguarding the data, but it is only shared once the request is approved as legal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zombie@feddit.uk 10 points 3 weeks ago as required under the American request for legal assistance. required request Aye, these words do not match. Amsterdam loudly and proudly claims credit for hiding Anne Frank. Making it one of their core tourist attractions. And yet when modern day digital Anne Frank is on their turf they hand them over without question. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Forsho@sh.itjust.works [S] 87 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I mean take your pick, could be anything from the below list. Exposing the “Epstein Class” online Organizing “anti genocide” rallies Sharing awareness about workers rights Fighting discrimination and racism Campaigns to end the abusing of human rights Creating anti capitalist movements Whatever the US pedo leader is against permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 9 points 3 weeks ago Don't forget "Anti-Semitism" by criticizing Israel (although that's part of the anti-genocide rallies) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) To this regime, the potential crimes that could be committed would be claiming to be against fascism. It then moves on to these criteria: "Common threads animating this violent conduct include anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; extremism on migration, race, and gender; and hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality." https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/countering-domestic-terrorism-and-organized-political-violence/ So if you hate corporations, Imperialism, racism and gender bigotry, and speaking against those who hate anything different from their magic book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago probably anti-israel/ links with epstein crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago I hate all those things, put me on the list! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 109 points 3 weeks ago (15 children) Enjoying a succulent Chinese meal. But, more seriously... The seized server belongs to Italian internet provider Autistici/Inventati (A/I). Dutch police are creating a digital image of its data to hand over to U.S. authorities, as required under the American request for legal assistance. For years, A/I offered free website hosting and email services to thousands of organizations. It attracted the attention of the Trump administration, which regards antifa as a terrorist organization. In late August, U.S. authorities also labeled A/I a terrorist organization, alleging that it had supported antifa. NRC described the move as exceptional, noting that internet service providers are not usually held liable for what their users do. Just looks like they were hosting traffic that Trump decided to label as Antifa and therefore Terrorist. No indication of what that traffic actually was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child) Dude what the fuck Amsterdam, I am extremely disappointed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago Makes me wonder about startpage, the search engine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) So destroying their org wasn't enough. Kinda seems like they know somebody in that community has information they're trying to control... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Forsho@sh.itjust.works [S] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) It might be, but if you trace this from earlier, then I don't think they are after a specific someone. they want data, anything that is not accessible for them before, they want to have it. i mean plantir or any other “mossad agency” is creating digital ID for everyone as we speak, big data llm is capable to identify who and where and what you are in seconds, as long as you feed it data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago Primarily they are after information on the groups opposing their far right buddies trying to seize control of europe. Maybe some specific stuff too, but I thought that was clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago I definitely concede there's no way of knowing. And going for overkill fits the regime's MO. Just felt odd, I guess, mainly because they have such an insane intelligence apparatus, actually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (8 children) Dutch police are creating a digital image of its data to hand over to U.S. authorities, as required under the American request for legal assistance. As required under fucking what? Also, just to belabor the point, trump is Profa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 19 points 3 weeks ago (6 children) MLAT - Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. These treaties have been around since the 80's, though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children) Not valid unless it was a crime in the country the request is filed to. There's no "they asked so we had to" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The claim is terrorism and violent extremism, which would be a crime that meets criteria. And again: though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 weeks ago I don't understand why people on the Internet will argue with someone answering questions about legal stuff as if the answerer is supporting that position or something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah so they need to present some basic evidence, not just an accusation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago They haven't actually shared anything yet, afaik. When the request comes in the authorities have basically no wiggle room regarding safeguarding the data, but it is only shared once the request is approved as legal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zombie@feddit.uk 10 points 3 weeks ago as required under the American request for legal assistance. required request Aye, these words do not match. Amsterdam loudly and proudly claims credit for hiding Anne Frank. Making it one of their core tourist attractions. And yet when modern day digital Anne Frank is on their turf they hand them over without question. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child) Dude what the fuck Amsterdam, I am extremely disappointed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago Makes me wonder about startpage, the search engine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago Makes me wonder about startpage, the search engine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) So destroying their org wasn't enough. Kinda seems like they know somebody in that community has information they're trying to control... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Forsho@sh.itjust.works [S] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) It might be, but if you trace this from earlier, then I don't think they are after a specific someone. they want data, anything that is not accessible for them before, they want to have it. i mean plantir or any other “mossad agency” is creating digital ID for everyone as we speak, big data llm is capable to identify who and where and what you are in seconds, as long as you feed it data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago Primarily they are after information on the groups opposing their far right buddies trying to seize control of europe. Maybe some specific stuff too, but I thought that was clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago I definitely concede there's no way of knowing. And going for overkill fits the regime's MO. Just felt odd, I guess, mainly because they have such an insane intelligence apparatus, actually. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Forsho@sh.itjust.works [S] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) It might be, but if you trace this from earlier, then I don't think they are after a specific someone. they want data, anything that is not accessible for them before, they want to have it. i mean plantir or any other “mossad agency” is creating digital ID for everyone as we speak, big data llm is capable to identify who and where and what you are in seconds, as long as you feed it data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago Primarily they are after information on the groups opposing their far right buddies trying to seize control of europe. Maybe some specific stuff too, but I thought that was clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago I definitely concede there's no way of knowing. And going for overkill fits the regime's MO. Just felt odd, I guess, mainly because they have such an insane intelligence apparatus, actually. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago Primarily they are after information on the groups opposing their far right buddies trying to seize control of europe. Maybe some specific stuff too, but I thought that was clear. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago I definitely concede there's no way of knowing. And going for overkill fits the regime's MO. Just felt odd, I guess, mainly because they have such an insane intelligence apparatus, actually. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (8 children) Dutch police are creating a digital image of its data to hand over to U.S. authorities, as required under the American request for legal assistance. As required under fucking what? Also, just to belabor the point, trump is Profa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 19 points 3 weeks ago (6 children) MLAT - Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. These treaties have been around since the 80's, though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children) Not valid unless it was a crime in the country the request is filed to. There's no "they asked so we had to" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The claim is terrorism and violent extremism, which would be a crime that meets criteria. And again: though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 weeks ago I don't understand why people on the Internet will argue with someone answering questions about legal stuff as if the answerer is supporting that position or something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah so they need to present some basic evidence, not just an accusation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago They haven't actually shared anything yet, afaik. When the request comes in the authorities have basically no wiggle room regarding safeguarding the data, but it is only shared once the request is approved as legal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zombie@feddit.uk 10 points 3 weeks ago as required under the American request for legal assistance. required request Aye, these words do not match. Amsterdam loudly and proudly claims credit for hiding Anne Frank. Making it one of their core tourist attractions. And yet when modern day digital Anne Frank is on their turf they hand them over without question. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 19 points 3 weeks ago (6 children) MLAT - Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. These treaties have been around since the 80's, though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children) Not valid unless it was a crime in the country the request is filed to. There's no "they asked so we had to" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The claim is terrorism and violent extremism, which would be a crime that meets criteria. And again: though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 weeks ago I don't understand why people on the Internet will argue with someone answering questions about legal stuff as if the answerer is supporting that position or something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah so they need to present some basic evidence, not just an accusation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago They haven't actually shared anything yet, afaik. When the request comes in the authorities have basically no wiggle room regarding safeguarding the data, but it is only shared once the request is approved as legal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children) Not valid unless it was a crime in the country the request is filed to. There's no "they asked so we had to" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The claim is terrorism and violent extremism, which would be a crime that meets criteria. And again: though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 weeks ago I don't understand why people on the Internet will argue with someone answering questions about legal stuff as if the answerer is supporting that position or something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah so they need to present some basic evidence, not just an accusation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago They haven't actually shared anything yet, afaik. When the request comes in the authorities have basically no wiggle room regarding safeguarding the data, but it is only shared once the request is approved as legal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The claim is terrorism and violent extremism, which would be a crime that meets criteria. And again: though I doubt they have been abused this way before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 weeks ago I don't understand why people on the Internet will argue with someone answering questions about legal stuff as if the answerer is supporting that position or something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah so they need to present some basic evidence, not just an accusation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 weeks ago I don't understand why people on the Internet will argue with someone answering questions about legal stuff as if the answerer is supporting that position or something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah so they need to present some basic evidence, not just an accusation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago I'm not sure why you think I would know what evidence they were presented with just because I told you what they used. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago They haven't actually shared anything yet, afaik. When the request comes in the authorities have basically no wiggle room regarding safeguarding the data, but it is only shared once the request is approved as legal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 10 points 3 weeks ago as required under the American request for legal assistance. required request Aye, these words do not match. Amsterdam loudly and proudly claims credit for hiding Anne Frank. Making it one of their core tourist attractions. And yet when modern day digital Anne Frank is on their turf they hand them over without question. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Forsho@sh.itjust.works [S] 87 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I mean take your pick, could be anything from the below list. Exposing the “Epstein Class” online Organizing “anti genocide” rallies Sharing awareness about workers rights Fighting discrimination and racism Campaigns to end the abusing of human rights Creating anti capitalist movements Whatever the US pedo leader is against permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 9 points 3 weeks ago Don't forget "Anti-Semitism" by criticizing Israel (although that's part of the anti-genocide rallies) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 9 points 3 weeks ago Don't forget "Anti-Semitism" by criticizing Israel (although that's part of the anti-genocide rallies) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) To this regime, the potential crimes that could be committed would be claiming to be against fascism. It then moves on to these criteria: "Common threads animating this violent conduct include anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; extremism on migration, race, and gender; and hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality." https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/countering-domestic-terrorism-and-organized-political-violence/ So if you hate corporations, Imperialism, racism and gender bigotry, and speaking against those who hate anything different from their magic book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago probably anti-israel/ links with epstein crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago I hate all those things, put me on the list! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago probably anti-israel/ links with epstein crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago I hate all those things, put me on the list! permalink fedilink source parent