▲ 362 ▼ Mainstream News Anchors Now Talking About the AI Bubble Bursting at Any Moment: "I think the entire AI boom is investing in the wrong future." (futurism.com) submitted 4 weeks ago by eicker@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 131 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago* (7 children) I'm genuinely curious what "real AI" is to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Real ai to me would mean true agency. And an entity which has its own goals and relationship to its world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago Yeah. I wonder if it might be difficult to identify something that reaches that point? I suppose genuine creativity might be an indication of intelligence? Or a desire to reprogram itself? I dunno, I've recently read Peter Watts blindsight and it kind of made me reconsider the relationship between consciousness and intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 4 weeks ago I think you're conflating consciousness and intelligence. I think you could theoretically have an artificial general intelligence on the same level of intelligence as a human, or even beyond, but with zero consciousness. We know that intelligence does not follow consciousness (unless you believe a fish or a cow is not conscious). Why should consciousness follow intelligence? permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 weeks ago Real AI is anything that hasn't been done yet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) A true Turing Machine, obviously One that when given input will give the correct output, every time, without fault or stalling, in a timeframe that is quick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) A Turing machine has nothing to do with AI. Pretty much any computer today can emulate one, the only thing lacking is infinite memory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 weeks ago Isn't there a difference between Turing Complete and Turing Machine? I thought many machine can be Turing Complete (when given infinite resources, can give any required output), but a Turing Machine is one that is complete? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Real ai to me would mean true agency. And an entity which has its own goals and relationship to its world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago Yeah. I wonder if it might be difficult to identify something that reaches that point? I suppose genuine creativity might be an indication of intelligence? Or a desire to reprogram itself? I dunno, I've recently read Peter Watts blindsight and it kind of made me reconsider the relationship between consciousness and intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 4 weeks ago I think you're conflating consciousness and intelligence. I think you could theoretically have an artificial general intelligence on the same level of intelligence as a human, or even beyond, but with zero consciousness. We know that intelligence does not follow consciousness (unless you believe a fish or a cow is not conscious). Why should consciousness follow intelligence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago Yeah. I wonder if it might be difficult to identify something that reaches that point? I suppose genuine creativity might be an indication of intelligence? Or a desire to reprogram itself? I dunno, I've recently read Peter Watts blindsight and it kind of made me reconsider the relationship between consciousness and intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 4 weeks ago I think you're conflating consciousness and intelligence. I think you could theoretically have an artificial general intelligence on the same level of intelligence as a human, or even beyond, but with zero consciousness. We know that intelligence does not follow consciousness (unless you believe a fish or a cow is not conscious). Why should consciousness follow intelligence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 weeks ago Real AI is anything that hasn't been done yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) A true Turing Machine, obviously One that when given input will give the correct output, every time, without fault or stalling, in a timeframe that is quick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) A Turing machine has nothing to do with AI. Pretty much any computer today can emulate one, the only thing lacking is infinite memory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 weeks ago Isn't there a difference between Turing Complete and Turing Machine? I thought many machine can be Turing Complete (when given infinite resources, can give any required output), but a Turing Machine is one that is complete? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) A Turing machine has nothing to do with AI. Pretty much any computer today can emulate one, the only thing lacking is infinite memory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 weeks ago Isn't there a difference between Turing Complete and Turing Machine? I thought many machine can be Turing Complete (when given infinite resources, can give any required output), but a Turing Machine is one that is complete? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 weeks ago Isn't there a difference between Turing Complete and Turing Machine? I thought many machine can be Turing Complete (when given infinite resources, can give any required output), but a Turing Machine is one that is complete? permalink fedilink source parent