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[+] chewypoops@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (18 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] skunk@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 month ago* Of course it has been weaponized, that's the whole point of ICE, why else did Obama massively extend family detention leading to thousands of incarcerated children and an expansion of detention camps? It's a weapon against people that don't have documentation https://www.aila.org/library/detention https://www.npr.org/2014/06/23/324857970/child-detention-centers-a-headache-for-the-obama-administration permalink fedilink source parent [–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (2 children) They were a gestapo long before Trump but they didn't bother the white libs so it was OK. Hypocrite libs don't care about brown people permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (1 child) It does seem like we've completed dropped non americans-- they dont count as humans with rights (this is Dems and repubs, not just repubs). We're in the process of dropping gay and trans now, and indians are in the republicans crosshairs, so they're up. I do wonder if brown, black, and latino are next, then asians, then women and children. This is what conservative-lite is about. Same results as conservatism only slower and with some sweet talking and DNC dems shushing us while it happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago* brown, black, and latino were already routinely murdered by the 'normal' police. The white libs don't care about those either, regardless of their US citizenship permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 18 points 1 month ago (5 children) There's no gaslighting here liberal. Democrats help build the exact same institutions of repression as the republicans, and it was obvious to anybody with even a minimally functioning brain that these would be turned on the public sooner or later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] cattywampas@lemmy.world -15 points 1 month ago (4 children) Did you vote in your Democratic primary for a progressive candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 child) Its so funny to me that they can just decide not to have a primary, lmao. Or decide to nominate someone who didn't win the primary. Good luck with that, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FE80@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago For anyone who doesn't know this, the current ex-CIA Democratic governor of Virginia did not go through a primary. Was just declared the candidate by party fiat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm fortunate enough not to live under the burger reich regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] katiecakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -6 points 1 month ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 22 points 1 month ago Yup, there are only two countries in this world, and everything that the dumb fucks living in the burger reich do to themselves is Russia's fault. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) but there wasn't a wide anti-ICE sentiment in 2017-2020 Sincere question because I've seen this sentiment on a few different topics recently: is the expectation for US politicians to follow popular sentiment? I understand the concept of representing your constituents but I have never taken that to mean making decisions based on the opinions of non experts. Maybe I'm misunderstanding and what comments like this mean is that these things were not on the minds of the voters so politicians were not campaigning on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago Does anybody know the names of the many many deaths under the drone king Obama or whoever? No because they were Mexicans, Philippino or whatever. Of course when they show up in white areas and even start killing white people the libs care, it's big news and the victims get a name. Poor Renee and Alex! These are your voters and what that comment means. A bunch of hypocrites permalink fedilink source parent [+] cattywampas@lemmy.world -10 points 1 month ago (5 children) Honestly. Nobody talked about ICE before 2024. Now it's a household name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 15 points 1 month ago I'm not american and don't live in the states but even I remember this: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/black-lives-matter-ice/ According to a leaked internal government document, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deployed more than 700 personnel in the Washington, D.C. area alone. Most of the officers were from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). They provided “support” to other federal law enforcement bodies responding to protests in the city and near the White House. See also, from 2018: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/journal/policy-beat/once-relatively-obscure-ice-becomes-lightning-rod-immigration-debate While some of the sharpest liberal voices calling for ICE’s abolition have calmed, in part amid a recognition by leading Democratic strategists that the campaign could backfire, the agency has clearly been thrust into the center of a polarized national narrative in an unprecedented way. Attacked in some circles, the agency is being lionized elsewhere. Vice President Mike Pence recently told ICE agents they were “American heroes.” And eager to capitalize on a wedge issue important to its base, the White House on August 20 held a “Salute to the Heroes” of ICE and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which like ICE is a DHS agency. ... Thus, the issue turned into a litmus test for many Democratic candidates. Possible presidential contenders took up the cry next: first, Senators Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) and Elizabeth Warren (MA), and eventually Bernie Sanders (VT), who initially refused to call for ICE’s dissolution. Gillibrand also seemed to conflate ICE’s responsibilities with those of CBP, saying, “When we flip the House and flip the Senate, I think the first thing we should do is deal with the children who are being separated from their families at the border. I think we should get rid of ICE.” And the pushback on Obama for his enforcement: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine I'm also ancient and remember when ICE was created, and how scary the homeland security act was (and is) and the protests against it. It's absolutely wild how normalized all that stuff is now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago You already memory holed Trump's first term? permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago Admitting to being uninformed isn't a good look, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago Haha what the fuck? Really showing that you just started paying attention very recently permalink fedilink source parent [–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago Wow just proving you're a white liberal without any immigrant friends. They've been a fucking menace since day one, but I guess since they only ever bothered brown people before it didn't matter to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skunk@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 month ago* Of course it has been weaponized, that's the whole point of ICE, why else did Obama massively extend family detention leading to thousands of incarcerated children and an expansion of detention camps? It's a weapon against people that don't have documentation https://www.aila.org/library/detention https://www.npr.org/2014/06/23/324857970/child-detention-centers-a-headache-for-the-obama-administration permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (2 children) They were a gestapo long before Trump but they didn't bother the white libs so it was OK. Hypocrite libs don't care about brown people permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (1 child) It does seem like we've completed dropped non americans-- they dont count as humans with rights (this is Dems and repubs, not just repubs). We're in the process of dropping gay and trans now, and indians are in the republicans crosshairs, so they're up. I do wonder if brown, black, and latino are next, then asians, then women and children. This is what conservative-lite is about. Same results as conservatism only slower and with some sweet talking and DNC dems shushing us while it happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago* brown, black, and latino were already routinely murdered by the 'normal' police. The white libs don't care about those either, regardless of their US citizenship permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (1 child) It does seem like we've completed dropped non americans-- they dont count as humans with rights (this is Dems and repubs, not just repubs). We're in the process of dropping gay and trans now, and indians are in the republicans crosshairs, so they're up. I do wonder if brown, black, and latino are next, then asians, then women and children. This is what conservative-lite is about. Same results as conservatism only slower and with some sweet talking and DNC dems shushing us while it happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago* brown, black, and latino were already routinely murdered by the 'normal' police. The white libs don't care about those either, regardless of their US citizenship permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago* brown, black, and latino were already routinely murdered by the 'normal' police. The white libs don't care about those either, regardless of their US citizenship permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 18 points 1 month ago (5 children) There's no gaslighting here liberal. Democrats help build the exact same institutions of repression as the republicans, and it was obvious to anybody with even a minimally functioning brain that these would be turned on the public sooner or later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] cattywampas@lemmy.world -15 points 1 month ago (4 children) Did you vote in your Democratic primary for a progressive candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 child) Its so funny to me that they can just decide not to have a primary, lmao. Or decide to nominate someone who didn't win the primary. Good luck with that, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FE80@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago For anyone who doesn't know this, the current ex-CIA Democratic governor of Virginia did not go through a primary. Was just declared the candidate by party fiat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm fortunate enough not to live under the burger reich regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] katiecakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -6 points 1 month ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 22 points 1 month ago Yup, there are only two countries in this world, and everything that the dumb fucks living in the burger reich do to themselves is Russia's fault. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] cattywampas@lemmy.world -15 points 1 month ago (4 children) Did you vote in your Democratic primary for a progressive candidate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 child) Its so funny to me that they can just decide not to have a primary, lmao. Or decide to nominate someone who didn't win the primary. Good luck with that, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FE80@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago For anyone who doesn't know this, the current ex-CIA Democratic governor of Virginia did not go through a primary. Was just declared the candidate by party fiat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm fortunate enough not to live under the burger reich regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] katiecakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -6 points 1 month ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 22 points 1 month ago Yup, there are only two countries in this world, and everything that the dumb fucks living in the burger reich do to themselves is Russia's fault. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 child) Its so funny to me that they can just decide not to have a primary, lmao. Or decide to nominate someone who didn't win the primary. Good luck with that, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FE80@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago For anyone who doesn't know this, the current ex-CIA Democratic governor of Virginia did not go through a primary. Was just declared the candidate by party fiat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FE80@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago For anyone who doesn't know this, the current ex-CIA Democratic governor of Virginia did not go through a primary. Was just declared the candidate by party fiat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm fortunate enough not to live under the burger reich regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] katiecakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -6 points 1 month ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 22 points 1 month ago Yup, there are only two countries in this world, and everything that the dumb fucks living in the burger reich do to themselves is Russia's fault. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] katiecakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone -6 points 1 month ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 22 points 1 month ago Yup, there are only two countries in this world, and everything that the dumb fucks living in the burger reich do to themselves is Russia's fault. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 22 points 1 month ago Yup, there are only two countries in this world, and everything that the dumb fucks living in the burger reich do to themselves is Russia's fault. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) but there wasn't a wide anti-ICE sentiment in 2017-2020 Sincere question because I've seen this sentiment on a few different topics recently: is the expectation for US politicians to follow popular sentiment? I understand the concept of representing your constituents but I have never taken that to mean making decisions based on the opinions of non experts. Maybe I'm misunderstanding and what comments like this mean is that these things were not on the minds of the voters so politicians were not campaigning on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago Does anybody know the names of the many many deaths under the drone king Obama or whoever? No because they were Mexicans, Philippino or whatever. Of course when they show up in white areas and even start killing white people the libs care, it's big news and the victims get a name. Poor Renee and Alex! These are your voters and what that comment means. A bunch of hypocrites permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaxLemminist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago Does anybody know the names of the many many deaths under the drone king Obama or whoever? No because they were Mexicans, Philippino or whatever. Of course when they show up in white areas and even start killing white people the libs care, it's big news and the victims get a name. Poor Renee and Alex! These are your voters and what that comment means. A bunch of hypocrites permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cattywampas@lemmy.world -10 points 1 month ago (5 children) Honestly. Nobody talked about ICE before 2024. Now it's a household name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 15 points 1 month ago I'm not american and don't live in the states but even I remember this: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/black-lives-matter-ice/ According to a leaked internal government document, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deployed more than 700 personnel in the Washington, D.C. area alone. Most of the officers were from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). They provided “support” to other federal law enforcement bodies responding to protests in the city and near the White House. See also, from 2018: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/journal/policy-beat/once-relatively-obscure-ice-becomes-lightning-rod-immigration-debate While some of the sharpest liberal voices calling for ICE’s abolition have calmed, in part amid a recognition by leading Democratic strategists that the campaign could backfire, the agency has clearly been thrust into the center of a polarized national narrative in an unprecedented way. Attacked in some circles, the agency is being lionized elsewhere. Vice President Mike Pence recently told ICE agents they were “American heroes.” And eager to capitalize on a wedge issue important to its base, the White House on August 20 held a “Salute to the Heroes” of ICE and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which like ICE is a DHS agency. ... Thus, the issue turned into a litmus test for many Democratic candidates. Possible presidential contenders took up the cry next: first, Senators Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) and Elizabeth Warren (MA), and eventually Bernie Sanders (VT), who initially refused to call for ICE’s dissolution. Gillibrand also seemed to conflate ICE’s responsibilities with those of CBP, saying, “When we flip the House and flip the Senate, I think the first thing we should do is deal with the children who are being separated from their families at the border. I think we should get rid of ICE.” And the pushback on Obama for his enforcement: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine I'm also ancient and remember when ICE was created, and how scary the homeland security act was (and is) and the protests against it. It's absolutely wild how normalized all that stuff is now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago You already memory holed Trump's first term? permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago Admitting to being uninformed isn't a good look, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago Haha what the fuck? Really showing that you just started paying attention very recently permalink fedilink source parent [–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago Wow just proving you're a white liberal without any immigrant friends. They've been a fucking menace since day one, but I guess since they only ever bothered brown people before it didn't matter to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 15 points 1 month ago I'm not american and don't live in the states but even I remember this: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/black-lives-matter-ice/ According to a leaked internal government document, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deployed more than 700 personnel in the Washington, D.C. area alone. Most of the officers were from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). They provided “support” to other federal law enforcement bodies responding to protests in the city and near the White House. See also, from 2018: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/journal/policy-beat/once-relatively-obscure-ice-becomes-lightning-rod-immigration-debate While some of the sharpest liberal voices calling for ICE’s abolition have calmed, in part amid a recognition by leading Democratic strategists that the campaign could backfire, the agency has clearly been thrust into the center of a polarized national narrative in an unprecedented way. Attacked in some circles, the agency is being lionized elsewhere. Vice President Mike Pence recently told ICE agents they were “American heroes.” And eager to capitalize on a wedge issue important to its base, the White House on August 20 held a “Salute to the Heroes” of ICE and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which like ICE is a DHS agency. ... Thus, the issue turned into a litmus test for many Democratic candidates. Possible presidential contenders took up the cry next: first, Senators Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) and Elizabeth Warren (MA), and eventually Bernie Sanders (VT), who initially refused to call for ICE’s dissolution. Gillibrand also seemed to conflate ICE’s responsibilities with those of CBP, saying, “When we flip the House and flip the Senate, I think the first thing we should do is deal with the children who are being separated from their families at the border. I think we should get rid of ICE.” And the pushback on Obama for his enforcement: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine I'm also ancient and remember when ICE was created, and how scary the homeland security act was (and is) and the protests against it. It's absolutely wild how normalized all that stuff is now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago You already memory holed Trump's first term? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago Admitting to being uninformed isn't a good look, lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago Haha what the fuck? Really showing that you just started paying attention very recently permalink fedilink source parent
[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago Wow just proving you're a white liberal without any immigrant friends. They've been a fucking menace since day one, but I guess since they only ever bothered brown people before it didn't matter to you. permalink fedilink source parent