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[–] Zensate@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (8 children) Self-reported study permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 month ago (7 children) We don't have sensors that can detect pain like we can detect heart rate or anything, so yeah it's going to be self-reported permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zensate@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) Which means the only thing the study concludes is that women report feeling pain more often than men. Which is fine, it just doesn't have anything to do with who feels more pain, but more studies on the culture around pain reporting between the genders around more objective markers could lead to very useful information permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago Yeah and headlines like this come out, then suddenly when I (as a man) mention having chronic pain, people will hit me with the "but studies say that women feel more pain than men!" Yeah, well that doesn't make my pain go away. But I suppose that's just a non-falsifiable anecdote, so the proper academic perspective is that my subjective experience of pain is empirically unsound. How that differs in any way from the study participants' experience of pain is anybody's guess, but I suppose it's easier to get research funding if you make your study sound feminist so... permalink fedilink source parent [–] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) There's also a masculinity component, will men even log minor pain or is it so ingrained that pain needs to reach a certain threshold to count? It's tough to say, I'd be interesting to see this done across cultures to see if when properly controlled some cultures have more pain in men. More study needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zensate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Exactly, those kinds of things are much more intersting permalink fedilink source parent [–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 point 1 month ago* lol women literally deal with an entire week of pain every week for decades. So, yea. Women do feel more pain and so we have a higher pain tolerance from being told to suck it up and work at a higher level than men. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Right but isn't this susceptible to the "is my green your green" qualia problem? The proper conclusion should be that women experience more pain OR are more likely to report their pain as higher. I feel like the former is more likely but how could you tell? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago And sometimes "the best possible" still isn't enough to support any kind of conclusion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 month ago (7 children) We don't have sensors that can detect pain like we can detect heart rate or anything, so yeah it's going to be self-reported permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zensate@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) Which means the only thing the study concludes is that women report feeling pain more often than men. Which is fine, it just doesn't have anything to do with who feels more pain, but more studies on the culture around pain reporting between the genders around more objective markers could lead to very useful information permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago Yeah and headlines like this come out, then suddenly when I (as a man) mention having chronic pain, people will hit me with the "but studies say that women feel more pain than men!" Yeah, well that doesn't make my pain go away. But I suppose that's just a non-falsifiable anecdote, so the proper academic perspective is that my subjective experience of pain is empirically unsound. How that differs in any way from the study participants' experience of pain is anybody's guess, but I suppose it's easier to get research funding if you make your study sound feminist so... permalink fedilink source parent [–] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) There's also a masculinity component, will men even log minor pain or is it so ingrained that pain needs to reach a certain threshold to count? It's tough to say, I'd be interesting to see this done across cultures to see if when properly controlled some cultures have more pain in men. More study needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zensate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Exactly, those kinds of things are much more intersting permalink fedilink source parent [–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 point 1 month ago* lol women literally deal with an entire week of pain every week for decades. So, yea. Women do feel more pain and so we have a higher pain tolerance from being told to suck it up and work at a higher level than men. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Right but isn't this susceptible to the "is my green your green" qualia problem? The proper conclusion should be that women experience more pain OR are more likely to report their pain as higher. I feel like the former is more likely but how could you tell? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago And sometimes "the best possible" still isn't enough to support any kind of conclusion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zensate@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children) Which means the only thing the study concludes is that women report feeling pain more often than men. Which is fine, it just doesn't have anything to do with who feels more pain, but more studies on the culture around pain reporting between the genders around more objective markers could lead to very useful information permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago Yeah and headlines like this come out, then suddenly when I (as a man) mention having chronic pain, people will hit me with the "but studies say that women feel more pain than men!" Yeah, well that doesn't make my pain go away. But I suppose that's just a non-falsifiable anecdote, so the proper academic perspective is that my subjective experience of pain is empirically unsound. How that differs in any way from the study participants' experience of pain is anybody's guess, but I suppose it's easier to get research funding if you make your study sound feminist so... permalink fedilink source parent [–] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) There's also a masculinity component, will men even log minor pain or is it so ingrained that pain needs to reach a certain threshold to count? It's tough to say, I'd be interesting to see this done across cultures to see if when properly controlled some cultures have more pain in men. More study needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zensate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Exactly, those kinds of things are much more intersting permalink fedilink source parent [–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 point 1 month ago* lol women literally deal with an entire week of pain every week for decades. So, yea. Women do feel more pain and so we have a higher pain tolerance from being told to suck it up and work at a higher level than men. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago Yeah and headlines like this come out, then suddenly when I (as a man) mention having chronic pain, people will hit me with the "but studies say that women feel more pain than men!" Yeah, well that doesn't make my pain go away. But I suppose that's just a non-falsifiable anecdote, so the proper academic perspective is that my subjective experience of pain is empirically unsound. How that differs in any way from the study participants' experience of pain is anybody's guess, but I suppose it's easier to get research funding if you make your study sound feminist so... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) There's also a masculinity component, will men even log minor pain or is it so ingrained that pain needs to reach a certain threshold to count? It's tough to say, I'd be interesting to see this done across cultures to see if when properly controlled some cultures have more pain in men. More study needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zensate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Exactly, those kinds of things are much more intersting permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zensate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Exactly, those kinds of things are much more intersting permalink fedilink source parent
[–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 point 1 month ago* lol women literally deal with an entire week of pain every week for decades. So, yea. Women do feel more pain and so we have a higher pain tolerance from being told to suck it up and work at a higher level than men. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Right but isn't this susceptible to the "is my green your green" qualia problem? The proper conclusion should be that women experience more pain OR are more likely to report their pain as higher. I feel like the former is more likely but how could you tell? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago And sometimes "the best possible" still isn't enough to support any kind of conclusion. permalink fedilink source parent