▲ 71 ▼ A month before an election!? 99% Hitler, amirite? (lemmy.zip) submitted 1 month ago by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/memes@lemmy.ml 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments Due to recent events.
[+] iltg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (13 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (5 children) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (4 children) watch less tv, support local news networks. you know, part of the "communal help" you propose as an alternative reminder this is a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (3 children) You want me to support the local bourgeoise who feed people regurgigated cia material? How about no, class traitor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) what? who said bourgeoisie? do you not have community run outlets? it seems to me you need to go outside and see what other comrades are up to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. That's what you're trying to distract from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) permalink fedilink source parent [–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (6 children) Remember "help us get Biden elected and we'll help push him left?" Voting is incompatible, because Liberals will just vote and then go back to brunch of their candidate wins. It's also incompatible with basic human decency to vote for a candidate who's shown they're happy to support an ongoing genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children) the problem you're pointing at is liberalism, telling liberals not to vote is not going to make them less liberal. because of your electoral system not voting is equivalent to voting for the winner, because there isn't a quorum at which an election is invalidated. take france: a 2-round system is not perfect but allows for genuine voting for small very left-aligned parties, and then eventually voting defensively later your description of "basic human decency" is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do i'm not arguing that using the master's tools will free us from masters, more must happen (france has many examples, again...), but it seems very clear to me that not using a tool to make a point is virtue signaling towards either peers (who are already aligned with you anyway) or opponents (who don't care) btw i'd love to hear how this is "imperialist propaganda" and hear an opinion regarding actually addressing imperialism which is beyond "both bad" because last US low vote turnout didn't really seem to hurt the empire, or reduce the dropped bombs. there's always more proletariat than bourgeoisie so act like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago You're really desperate for brunch huh permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just vote to only genocide them? Venezuela has been under siege before Trump ever took step into office, Iran is a thing both parties agree on. After all, Kamala Harris said that Iran is their greatest threat. Democrats were also itching to bomb Iran. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) both bad amirite if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spud@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago kamala wasn't nominated in the primary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot I'm not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians. also who do you think put kamala there? There wasn't even a primary for her lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m532@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (5 children) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (4 children) watch less tv, support local news networks. you know, part of the "communal help" you propose as an alternative reminder this is a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (3 children) You want me to support the local bourgeoise who feed people regurgigated cia material? How about no, class traitor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) what? who said bourgeoisie? do you not have community run outlets? it seems to me you need to go outside and see what other comrades are up to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. That's what you're trying to distract from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (4 children) watch less tv, support local news networks. you know, part of the "communal help" you propose as an alternative reminder this is a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (3 children) You want me to support the local bourgeoise who feed people regurgigated cia material? How about no, class traitor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) what? who said bourgeoisie? do you not have community run outlets? it seems to me you need to go outside and see what other comrades are up to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. That's what you're trying to distract from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m532@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (3 children) You want me to support the local bourgeoise who feed people regurgigated cia material? How about no, class traitor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) what? who said bourgeoisie? do you not have community run outlets? it seems to me you need to go outside and see what other comrades are up to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. That's what you're trying to distract from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) what? who said bourgeoisie? do you not have community run outlets? it seems to me you need to go outside and see what other comrades are up to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. That's what you're trying to distract from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m532@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle. That's what you're trying to distract from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader. i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda ("climate doomerism" may be an interesting and related read) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (6 children) Remember "help us get Biden elected and we'll help push him left?" Voting is incompatible, because Liberals will just vote and then go back to brunch of their candidate wins. It's also incompatible with basic human decency to vote for a candidate who's shown they're happy to support an ongoing genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children) the problem you're pointing at is liberalism, telling liberals not to vote is not going to make them less liberal. because of your electoral system not voting is equivalent to voting for the winner, because there isn't a quorum at which an election is invalidated. take france: a 2-round system is not perfect but allows for genuine voting for small very left-aligned parties, and then eventually voting defensively later your description of "basic human decency" is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do i'm not arguing that using the master's tools will free us from masters, more must happen (france has many examples, again...), but it seems very clear to me that not using a tool to make a point is virtue signaling towards either peers (who are already aligned with you anyway) or opponents (who don't care) btw i'd love to hear how this is "imperialist propaganda" and hear an opinion regarding actually addressing imperialism which is beyond "both bad" because last US low vote turnout didn't really seem to hurt the empire, or reduce the dropped bombs. there's always more proletariat than bourgeoisie so act like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago You're really desperate for brunch huh permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just vote to only genocide them? Venezuela has been under siege before Trump ever took step into office, Iran is a thing both parties agree on. After all, Kamala Harris said that Iran is their greatest threat. Democrats were also itching to bomb Iran. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) both bad amirite if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spud@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago kamala wasn't nominated in the primary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot I'm not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians. also who do you think put kamala there? There wasn't even a primary for her lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children) the problem you're pointing at is liberalism, telling liberals not to vote is not going to make them less liberal. because of your electoral system not voting is equivalent to voting for the winner, because there isn't a quorum at which an election is invalidated. take france: a 2-round system is not perfect but allows for genuine voting for small very left-aligned parties, and then eventually voting defensively later your description of "basic human decency" is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do i'm not arguing that using the master's tools will free us from masters, more must happen (france has many examples, again...), but it seems very clear to me that not using a tool to make a point is virtue signaling towards either peers (who are already aligned with you anyway) or opponents (who don't care) btw i'd love to hear how this is "imperialist propaganda" and hear an opinion regarding actually addressing imperialism which is beyond "both bad" because last US low vote turnout didn't really seem to hurt the empire, or reduce the dropped bombs. there's always more proletariat than bourgeoisie so act like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] m532@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago You're really desperate for brunch huh permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just vote to only genocide them? Venezuela has been under siege before Trump ever took step into office, Iran is a thing both parties agree on. After all, Kamala Harris said that Iran is their greatest threat. Democrats were also itching to bomb Iran. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) both bad amirite if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spud@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago kamala wasn't nominated in the primary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot I'm not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians. also who do you think put kamala there? There wasn't even a primary for her lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m532@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago You're really desperate for brunch huh permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just vote to only genocide them? Venezuela has been under siege before Trump ever took step into office, Iran is a thing both parties agree on. After all, Kamala Harris said that Iran is their greatest threat. Democrats were also itching to bomb Iran. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) both bad amirite if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spud@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago kamala wasn't nominated in the primary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot I'm not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians. also who do you think put kamala there? There wasn't even a primary for her lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) both bad amirite if "both sides" genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too once again, you're pushing a false dichotomy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spud@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago kamala wasn't nominated in the primary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot I'm not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians. also who do you think put kamala there? There wasn't even a primary for her lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spud@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago kamala wasn't nominated in the primary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot I'm not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians. also who do you think put kamala there? There wasn't even a primary for her lol permalink fedilink source parent