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Moderator banned from their own community for practicing harassment (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca
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Its a shame because they're prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don't understand the point of targeting a person you don't like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don't like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)

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[–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you genuinely believe they're the same thing, you've got a lot of work to do.

Okey dokey.

This is what I was talking about: You're taking the role of a teacher talking to a thick or disobedient student, instead of just us having a conversation. I do take that tone too sometimes, but usually it's when I'm being sarcastic or jerky about something on purpose. It's not actually how I look at my role vs. the other person in the conversation. This is like I said why I think the "privileged user who tells other users what to do" role is a toxic thing that Lemmy creates for certain people in the interactions.

I feel like I explained pretty clearly what in my opinion the issue is, and you're just reiterating your favored definitions for all of these words (ignoring anything I had to say about the validity) and again how things really operate... which, okay. I feel like there's not a lot of point in going back and forth about it, you can just read again the message you just replied to, if you want my answer about this stuff.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You really need to listen to what you're saying.

    You're arguing for the right to deny people their own identities in their own safe spaces whilst claiming that somehow, the real issue is letting queer folk choose the language that works best for them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nope, try again. If you want to summarize what I'm claiming is the real issue a little more accurately to anything I actually said, I'd be happy to continue the conversation if you want.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Regardless of the stuff about Ada's tone, it seems like your ultimate point was the classic "paradox of tolerance." I certainly do not see enforcing a safe space as policing identity. Regardless of how respectfully done, deciding when it is okay to respect someone's identity is against blahaj rules. The consistent moderation with no room for chipping away at the edges is what attracted me to the instance. This person broke blahaj rules. They may have broken it politely (I disagree. Tone does not excuse content), but they broke the rules. Banning them for repeated invalidation of others' identities is not policing their identity. Your identity cannot be predicated on the invalidation of others. We have every prerogative to be intolerant of intolerance.

    Again, regardless of Ada's tone, the point stands. You keep dancing around that. The rules were broken. This user acted inappropriately for the space they were in. They are not forced to use blahaj communities, and chose to do so while violating the rules. They have no right to our safe space if they cannot ensure it is safe for others. I strongly dislike the "just asking questions" polite veneer of your comments while very intentionally dodging the elephant in the room, which is that the user did wrong for the space they were in, regardless if you agree or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Let's try this approach:

    I certainly do not see enforcing a safe space as policing identity.

    What's an example I brought up about how Ada could have made the space safer, if only she wasn't apparently hung up on pronouns as the one and only most critical thing that defines whether or not the space is safe?

    Banning them for repeated invalidation of others' identities is not policing their identity.

    My example of gatekeeping actually had nothing to do with PJ (or, for that matter, with policing anyone's identity specifically). What was the example?

    I strongly dislike the "just asking questions" polite veneer of your comments while very intentionally dodging the elephant in the room, which is that the user did wrong for the space they were in, regardless if you agree or not.

    Way up at the beginning of the conversation when I brought up a couple of examples (my opinion, for whatever it's worth, for what the "right way" or an alternative way would have been to approach this whole situation and enforce the rules of the community), did it include PJ getting banned and anyone else who didn't do the pronouns in the approved way getting banned? What was the critical difference in the two ways of approaching it I modeled (was it banned vs. not banned, or was it something different)?

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