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After reviewing the previous meta post, and discussing with the community moderator, we feel that closing this community is the best option at this time. This community does not have the moderation capacity to handle the content that gets posted, and the rules/culture need to be reworked to prevent the issues that are common here. We got some great suggestions in the linked thread if someone would like to work on this in the future.

Please feel free to offer additional feedback in this thread, and to suggest alternate communities to fill this niche. I can edit this post to add suggestions:

Alternative Communities

Fediverse news and discussions:

Community Building discussions:

Apps, Development, Technical Discussion:

Memes:

Discussing mod & admin actions:

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We receive a lot of reports from this community, and we get the impression that the current rules and moderation capabilities aren't sufficient for a community like this. While things are quieter right now, during periods of activity this community tends to cause unnecessary strain on the lemmy.ca admin team.

Having additional moderators could help with this, as well as having a more comprehensive set of rules. That way, the community's mod team can go through the queue more quickly and also take action on users that abuse the reports.

For the sake of a productive discussion, please limit comments in this thread to discussions on how to improve this community, without directly pointing to specific users or situations. Ideally, this will also help to develop better rules (think 'veil of ignorance').

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This isn't just relevant to Lemmy because it's culturally intertwined with Lemmy but also because there's a search engine database now that acts as a registry for anyone promoting any of the mass shooters (Luigi, Robin, Tyler, etc.).

China currently bans anyone from entering who denies their narrative about Tiananmen Square. It's the same deal here. There's also a couple of already-controversial Lemmy users who are collaborating with the US government by judas-kissing everyone after having honeypotted them. One of them having been infamous for banning people who promoted "blind alignment with Luigi Mangione" [sic].

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Or did they die like lemm.ee? Their site hasn't been working for days.

I feel like this would be lore people would be talking about.

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I was shocked to see this log as it is the largest public health forum. No wonder why people are falling for pseudoscience and misinformation these days as problematic individuals are entrusted in important roles. I suppose it’s time for another migration.

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Its a shame because they're prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don't understand the point of targeting a person you don't like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don't like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)

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Okay so here's what happened.

There is a mod of some AI-generated image forums who has been slinging out bans for "anti-AI trolling" to people who have never participated in their community, apparently more or less at random. Full disclosure, I am one of those people, and I'm confident I have never done any anti-AI trolling.

Apparently the justification for this is that other people are being aggressively hateful to this mod, coming in and being incredibly abusive, transphobic, insulting her for alleged alcoholism and making fake pictures of her and generally just being horrible. Conveniently, one of these people showed up in the thread where we were talking about it, on cue, and started slinging around horribleness which provided a convenient cover for people to say "And THAT's why we have to be really strict with the bans!" type of things. We never really got to the bottom of what the connection was between that and the random bans to other people who were longstanding accounts that didn't seem to be doing any of those things.

Anyway, now another abusive alt of the (now obviously bannned) abusive alt that originally stirred up trouble has made a pitch-perfect effort to inflame divisions and create a balkanization between the "pro AI" people, centered around dbzer0 (edit: and blahaj), and "anti AI" people, centered around everywhere else.

This is two identical posts, made to two separate communities which are guaranteed to have totally opposite takes on it based on their different levels of information about the issue, which will then lead everyone to assume that the other community is just being horrible about it on purpose when they draw different conclusions:

(Edit: The troll has now been banned, so I can't link to their posts anymore. Just imagine this post, except made by one of the trolls who are featured in the comments of that post, you can dig in the modlog or in spoiler text of some other comments to see some of what they were saying. Anyway, the troll posted the exact same complaint about being "unfairly" banned both to lemmy.world, where they got tons of sympathy and upvotes, and to dbzer0, where people who were aware of what they were up to gave them derision and downvotes.)

Like I said, if the goal is to create division and heated argument between two opposing "camps," this is pretty much as perfect as you can get it. I expect it to work, at least to a certain amount, to get people embittered towards one another and arguing about the issue impassioned that the other side is wrong and stupid.

I can't find the link right now, but there was someone on reddit who claimed that they used to do this professionally (trying to disrupt online communities so that organized shilling could succeed better there, because the previous coherence that they had had had been replaced by confusion and bickering, and then they could insert bullshit without it being pushed back on as strongly.) It's fascinating. What they described isn't exactly like this, but it definitely sort of rings similar to me. Just to throw that out there.

Also, UniversalMonk is involved, because of course he is.

Edit: Fun with grammar

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It really looks like someone's impersonating people on both sides of this drama, and yelling a lot of sexual insults. Who? Why? What do they want?

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How deep do they guzzle that boot?

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I'm pretty sure it started on Lemmy.world but I wish I saved (/had a better way to search for) the starting post :(