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[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (6 children) I don't think you're really understanding what I'm saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago* (5 children) I understand what you're saying and I don't think you misunderstand it. I think that there are large swaths of leftists who misunderstand what it means to build on class issues while including gender and racial issues. That we should only focus on class issues and then once that's solved, we can move on to racial and sexist issues. It's a faulty line of thinking. We can move in tandem on these issues and we should. There is a history of highlighting class issues over all others to the detriment of the movement, like with Cesar Chavez. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) That we should only focus on class issues and then once that’s solved, we can move on to racial and sexist issues. That's not at all what I'm saying. So I was right you didn't understand what I was saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I already said I think you understand the point I'm making, but there are a lot of leftists that would read your comments and think that we need to focus solely on class first before anything else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) Ok so you agree then that when analysing these issues we have to start with their relation to class? That gender and racial discrimination are at their core subsets of the class struggle which makes up the bedrock upon which they are built? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I agree, but in practice many leftists never come back to gender and racial discrimination when talking about any of this - it's always class solidarity over all else. That argument is here in this very thread - that women and POC are inherently being protected and fought for within the class war and that's not quite right. Oftentimes racial and sexual discrimination are a mere afterthought, but we cannot abandon or ignore our sisters and brothers lest we lose them in this fight. Rockslayer is better at expressing this than I am admittedly. That's how we end up allowing our leaders in this fight to subjugate and rape women and little girls while holding him up as a shining example of working class rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago That's fair I'm glad we agree so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago* (5 children) I understand what you're saying and I don't think you misunderstand it. I think that there are large swaths of leftists who misunderstand what it means to build on class issues while including gender and racial issues. That we should only focus on class issues and then once that's solved, we can move on to racial and sexist issues. It's a faulty line of thinking. We can move in tandem on these issues and we should. There is a history of highlighting class issues over all others to the detriment of the movement, like with Cesar Chavez. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) That we should only focus on class issues and then once that’s solved, we can move on to racial and sexist issues. That's not at all what I'm saying. So I was right you didn't understand what I was saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I already said I think you understand the point I'm making, but there are a lot of leftists that would read your comments and think that we need to focus solely on class first before anything else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) Ok so you agree then that when analysing these issues we have to start with their relation to class? That gender and racial discrimination are at their core subsets of the class struggle which makes up the bedrock upon which they are built? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I agree, but in practice many leftists never come back to gender and racial discrimination when talking about any of this - it's always class solidarity over all else. That argument is here in this very thread - that women and POC are inherently being protected and fought for within the class war and that's not quite right. Oftentimes racial and sexual discrimination are a mere afterthought, but we cannot abandon or ignore our sisters and brothers lest we lose them in this fight. Rockslayer is better at expressing this than I am admittedly. That's how we end up allowing our leaders in this fight to subjugate and rape women and little girls while holding him up as a shining example of working class rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago That's fair I'm glad we agree so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) That we should only focus on class issues and then once that’s solved, we can move on to racial and sexist issues. That's not at all what I'm saying. So I was right you didn't understand what I was saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I already said I think you understand the point I'm making, but there are a lot of leftists that would read your comments and think that we need to focus solely on class first before anything else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) Ok so you agree then that when analysing these issues we have to start with their relation to class? That gender and racial discrimination are at their core subsets of the class struggle which makes up the bedrock upon which they are built? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I agree, but in practice many leftists never come back to gender and racial discrimination when talking about any of this - it's always class solidarity over all else. That argument is here in this very thread - that women and POC are inherently being protected and fought for within the class war and that's not quite right. Oftentimes racial and sexual discrimination are a mere afterthought, but we cannot abandon or ignore our sisters and brothers lest we lose them in this fight. Rockslayer is better at expressing this than I am admittedly. That's how we end up allowing our leaders in this fight to subjugate and rape women and little girls while holding him up as a shining example of working class rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago That's fair I'm glad we agree so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) I already said I think you understand the point I'm making, but there are a lot of leftists that would read your comments and think that we need to focus solely on class first before anything else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) Ok so you agree then that when analysing these issues we have to start with their relation to class? That gender and racial discrimination are at their core subsets of the class struggle which makes up the bedrock upon which they are built? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I agree, but in practice many leftists never come back to gender and racial discrimination when talking about any of this - it's always class solidarity over all else. That argument is here in this very thread - that women and POC are inherently being protected and fought for within the class war and that's not quite right. Oftentimes racial and sexual discrimination are a mere afterthought, but we cannot abandon or ignore our sisters and brothers lest we lose them in this fight. Rockslayer is better at expressing this than I am admittedly. That's how we end up allowing our leaders in this fight to subjugate and rape women and little girls while holding him up as a shining example of working class rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago That's fair I'm glad we agree so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children) Ok so you agree then that when analysing these issues we have to start with their relation to class? That gender and racial discrimination are at their core subsets of the class struggle which makes up the bedrock upon which they are built? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I agree, but in practice many leftists never come back to gender and racial discrimination when talking about any of this - it's always class solidarity over all else. That argument is here in this very thread - that women and POC are inherently being protected and fought for within the class war and that's not quite right. Oftentimes racial and sexual discrimination are a mere afterthought, but we cannot abandon or ignore our sisters and brothers lest we lose them in this fight. Rockslayer is better at expressing this than I am admittedly. That's how we end up allowing our leaders in this fight to subjugate and rape women and little girls while holding him up as a shining example of working class rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago That's fair I'm glad we agree so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I agree, but in practice many leftists never come back to gender and racial discrimination when talking about any of this - it's always class solidarity over all else. That argument is here in this very thread - that women and POC are inherently being protected and fought for within the class war and that's not quite right. Oftentimes racial and sexual discrimination are a mere afterthought, but we cannot abandon or ignore our sisters and brothers lest we lose them in this fight. Rockslayer is better at expressing this than I am admittedly. That's how we end up allowing our leaders in this fight to subjugate and rape women and little girls while holding him up as a shining example of working class rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago That's fair I'm glad we agree so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago That's fair I'm glad we agree so. permalink fedilink source parent