Ensign_Crab comments on James Talarico reverses stance on trans student-athletes

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 months ago (24 children)

Whose votes is he picking up here? The sort of people who want anti-trans bigotry in sports aren't going to vote for him no matter which minorities he decides to chuck under the bus for traction.

He's doing this because it's who he always was, and now that he's on the other side of the primary he doesn't have to care.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (23 children)

There's probably enough idiots in Texas that will vote for him because he is a Christian. It is Texas after all. I also think the question of fairness in sports may be a bit subjective and unfortunately not everyone knows the science behind it. We also don't have much data in general. There's also nuance, maybe someone is fine with it in middle school sports but not professional or something. It's actually a somewhat interesting topic and I do understand people's hesitation about it. I'm not going to count someone completely out over that one thing, honestly. Hell I would generally be against him simply because I don't trust Christians, but compared to the alternative...whew.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (22 children)

I'm just so fucking tired of moving to the right one betrayal at a time. There's always another vulnerable group that democrats consider disposable. Immigrants. Palestinians. Trans people. Poor people. Rail workers.

I'm sick of retreating. I want trans people to be accepted because I have loved ones who are trans. I have friends who are plural who society is never going to accept if we don't get trans acceptance down first. I'm fed up with watching people I was enthusiastic about voting for deciding on my behalf that the Overton window encompasses too many vulnerable minorities and not enough bigots.

I feel like it's not going to ever end, like there is no one willing to stand up for the powerless. That no one understands that appeasing fascists never gets you to a better place, no matter how much you call it incremental progress.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (21 children)

Obama said he was against gay marriage, then got it legalized. I think sometimes there is strategy in playing the game otherwise you're stuck with a true fascist.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 months ago (20 children)

Obama said he was against gay marriage, then got it legalized.

The supreme court legalized it and no one has codified it. It's on the chopping block just like Roe was.

I think sometimes there is strategy in playing the game otherwise you’re stuck with a true fascist.

I think that's cold comfort to the sacrificial pawns.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Might be cold comfort but I would prefer it takes a decade of crawling towards it rather than lose everything outright because someone made a strategic failure trying to win a red state. Just like Beto did with the guns. Let's not demolish every chance every time.

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

You'd rather crawl towards fascism with small concessions from the ruling class to make you feel like you're winning. Because it's more comfortable for you, and you aren't on the chopping block just yet.

First they came for the communists and all that... When you sacrifice all of us, we won't be there to protect you when they come for you!

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[–] phar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I would like a reasonable chance of someone that isn't a full on fascist piece of crap winning since there's literally two choices.

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

There's only two choices because of spineless people who consider genocide one of the options.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Okay but again there's only two choices. So don't make the unbelievably stupid decision. That's how you end up with trump.

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

When you decide to spend 4 years of Trump cheering for genocidal Democrats instead of spending any effort building an alternative, you deserve Trump and the collapse of your empire that's coming with him.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Who are you even talking about at this point?

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

You! You admitted to sacrificing people with the "lesser evil" so it can take longer for fascism to take full hold, but at least it probably won't affect you this way...

Instead of shrugging and agreeing that it's cold comfort to sacrifice people because there's only two choices, if you were a decent human you'd fight to create a third choice.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For your first part no I did not. Did not say so it can take longer for fascism to take hold. You're only chance at this time of stopping it is to choose the lesser. Unless you're recommending that I shoot someone or something which I'm not going to do. I don't live in Texas I can't make a choice or vote for them. And there's a very obvious choice to be made right here. What fight for a third choice are you making that's going to have any type of an impact on this election in Texas? Please, illucidate. I will watch the news to see it come to fruition.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Might be cold comfort but I would prefer it takes a decade of crawling towards it rather than lose everything outright because someone made a strategic failure trying to win a red state.

Talarico walking back his position didn't convince a single bigot. They have not changed their attacks against him on this issue. I suspect that the attacks will intensify because he demonstrated a willingness to cave. But this will not be rewarded with their votes. Bigots will vote for the greater bigot every time.

You cannot appease fascists.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Nah there's definitely people that don't mind trans people.at all but are uncomfortable with someone who was born a man playing in women's sports. He's not appealing to the hard right, he's appealing to the middle ground people that live in a very conservative state. I am not saying I would do the same, but I get it.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 months ago (8 children)

I live in that very conservative state and foolishly thought that we finally had a candidate that didn't give bigots' framing surrounding vulnerable minorities credence.

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[–] phar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Cool, make sure you still vote for the guy that said all the other stuff about it till now when he was on fox news and put a big if statement on it. Don't be stupid. Bernie or nothing got us trump.

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