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Leaked Trump loyalty test demands NATO allies praise him — or lose US protection (www.rawstory.com)
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One question directly invokes Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's demand that allies stay "strong, clear, and quiet" in alignment with U.S. interests.

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[–] 100 points 2 months ago (33 children)

Fuck off and die you fat megalomniac pedophile rapist cunt. The united snakes can suck cock in Hell.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This reads like poetry The kind of visceral anger that I wish the American people would unify and express against their own leadership

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Their press meetings should be so constantly full of this kinda speech they can't even manage to get through a simple briefing.

    "Okay, Q&A..."

    "Thank you. Mr. President are you even sorry for all the innocent people you've personally or impersonally murdered?"

    "ARREST THEM. NEXT? YOU IN THE BACK!"

    "Yes, thank you. Associated Press. Anyway, you gonna kill yourself in a bunker anytime soon you rapist piece of shit?"

    "GUARDS! we have time for ONE MORE...about the excellent new ballroom or something..."

    "Hello, yes... where'd your mother go wrong and would you consider yourself your joke of a family's biglyest mistake?"

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (30 children)

    As an American….that's fair.

    Please await our return to normalcy, which I dearly hope is soon.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    A country which is prone to start backstabbing, blackmailing and threatening their allies every 4 years isn't normal per se. The USA will never regain my trust (and i believe i am in the majority of europeans here) until they fix their shit for good, which i will probably not live to see; half of US-americans active voters chose this shitshow for a second time, which means they love the taste of leather combat boots (Nazi style).

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    normalcy You mean like manufacturing fake evidence for WMD so we can go to war with Iraq. A war in which only only did we lose thousands of Americans we also killed around 500,000 Iraqs. We could pack a stadium with the dead children we killed alone.

    We have always been the bad guys.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    So what are you doing about it; nothing just like the rest of you americans.

    At this point in any other country there would be 100k people in front of the White House every day until the government collapses but in the US people are just living their normal lives in an abnormal time taking it like lemmings and whinning like children.

    You are responsible for the world econmomy collapsing when it does, just remember that; the world won't forget.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    You should know that USA wasn't even near normal under Obama. Spying on allies, and thousands killed in illegal drone attacks is not normal.
    I don't trust USA to return to normal anytime soon. American exceptionalism isn't an exclusive Republican thing.
    But closer to normal would still be preferable.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Spying on allies

    Anyone who knows anything about history and politics should understand that everybody spies on everybody and that's fine because knowing what other countries are up to is how you avoid war. Countries trust their allies because their spies help them KNOW that they can trust them. As soon as spies are taken out of the equation, everybody starts getting WAY more paranoid about what other countries are up to, and that's how you get pointless wars. Sometimes, foreign spies even HELP a country, because they can sometimes catch things that domestic intelligence misses, like "hey, such-and-such foreign nation has infiltrated your such-and-such government agency; you might wanna do something about that. How did we get this info? Trade secret. But you're welcome".

    Spying ON ITS OWN is almost utterly benign. It's certainly better than the alternative. Expecting humans to not be nosy about what their neighbors are up to is just asking for disappointment. Nosiness is an inevitable fact of life. Sure, if you CATCH a spy, you eject them. But it's naive to be offended by the attempt.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

    Wrong, spying used to be MOSTLY a wartime thing you did against enemies.
    USA changed that after WW2, and most countries followed. Because now apparently everyone is an enemy, and no one can be trusted.

    Spying ON ITS OWN is almost utterly benign

    That's completely bullshit, it is absolutely not benign that USA is spying on allies, they are trying to use it to undermine their political views.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Wrong, spying used to be a wartime thing you did against enemies.

    Do you really believe that?

    Also:

    they are truing to use it to undermine their political views.

    That's not "spying on its own" anymore, though, is it?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's a fact, look it up.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I looked it up. I didn't put a ton of effort into it, but I found some things.

    First link I found was this one, https://www.mi5.gov.uk/history/between-the-wars/the-inter-war-years, talking about spying going on between WW1 and WW2.

    British intelligence service was started in 1909. They weren't at war, but they were concerned about spying, German spies in particular:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Steinhauer

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    UK was not a normal country before WW2, they were a gigantic colonial power, and used "intelligence" also as a secret police to keep the Empire under control.
    It was not normal for countries to have spy agencies that spied on allies. And even USA didn't have it at the time.
    But Franklin D. Roosevelt was worried about Germany, and wanted an intelligence service like the one UK had, and so he created the CIA.

    Before that it was more ad hoc as necessary by the different branches of US military. This was mostly used by colonial powers like UK and France, and then USA mimicked it, And shortly after WW2, they were treating the entire world as a colony and an enemy in that regard.

    This does not make it "normal", CIA is a disease, their false intelligence has done a lot of harm, their activities in other countries are widely illegal, and they use illegal methods even in allied countries. However after WW2 USA normalized it, so other countries now have to do the same in self defense.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    So, you say spying wasn't done outside of war prior to WW2, then I provide examples of intelligence organizations prior to WW1 and you wave it away with talk about Britain not being "normal", while at the same time ignoring the link indicating Germany had intelligence agents operating in other countries.

    There's something pathetic about someone not being able to admit they were wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    So, you say spying wasn’t done outside of war prior to WW2

    No I wrote it was a war time thing, as outside of war it was more ad hoc if at all. Of course there was military intelligence, but not the crazy shit we have today, with manipulation of politics and industrial spying. There are degrees, and USA turned that up a lot.
    Before the more normal thing to do was LEGAL intelligence, where agents at embassies read the papers, and followed politics. It was not the illegal spying we have today.

    There’s something pathetic about someone not being able to admit they were wrong.

    Look in the mirror.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Wow were you born yesterday? You think espionage is a thing the US invented after WW2? Lmao.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    for what? 4? maybe 8 years? and then you're all right back on the right wing agenda? Reagan, Bush, Bush Jr, Trump, whose next?

    for years, decades even the rest of us have simply tolerated you. never really trusted you, mocked you behind your backs, but we generally kept quiet about it. now? now we're no longer hiding our opinions of you. and those opinions have always been there so things aren't going to change for you on the world stage, ever.

    How can we trust you? you elected this clown twice. you elected Bush Jr twice. "Please wait our return to normalcy"? how can we await your return for something you never had.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Holy shit you guys are pussies. Home of the brave indeed!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    The military does nothing.

    The media does nothing.

    Congress does nothing.

    The DOJ is complicit.

    Law enforcement is largely enabling.

    While I absolutely understand the disgust and disdain I’d ask what you think would happen in your world if the institutions and structure you knew failed so completely to react to this lunacy.

    I never expected the first term and after that chaos and incompetence was quite happy to see it end AND a return to normalcy. Then the idiot segment of voters chose this moron again and it’s inexplicably worse than the first go around.

    A civil war would be … horrific. I have kids that would be pulled into such a conflict.

    I support better candidates, am engaged and volunteer to help in some tiny way to get them in office but I’m just some guy that is not going deliver much of an obstacle to an army or police. Protesting is what we have at hand and yeah it is not enough - but the media is not working to engage and educate the masses to unite more and so we’re just stuck.

    We have long been isolated from the horrors of war we have blithely visited on others and I’m not going to pretend I’d ever want to know how nightmarish it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (4 children)

    When the trucker convoy bullshit was happening I was involved with a counter protest that jammed their communication networks. What have you done? How often do you write your representatives encouraging them to do something while you still have a fascimile of a democracy going on?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Why are you being sp presumptuous?

    I've donated, protested, phone banked, letter campaigned and left who knows how many voicemails and emails to Congress…farting into the wind perhaps but I'm doing what I can.

    It has to engage masses which is precisely why the media is so goddamn compromised. Its intentional.

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