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Stop Killing Games has exceeded 1.4 Million Signatures! (programming.dev)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/games@sh.itjust.works
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There is still 10 days left. Even though the stretch goals were met, you can still sign.

If you haven't already and you live in the EU (they will check), you can sign here: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

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[+] -123 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

Is it in the game vendors' interest to do that? No. And they have more money than the gamers.

So... Cute petition, but sadly you can be absolutely certain it ain't going nowhere.

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  • [+] -25 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    All famously solved by an online petition

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    To be clear, this is not an "online petition". This is the beginning of a defined legal process in the EU.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Which EU law stemming from this process is your favourite?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh I don't know... how about banning glyphosate, an incredibly dangerous pesticide, which is now gone from EU produce but still plaguing many countries in the rest of the world? And how about some clean water to go with that salad? Because the Clean Water Directive received major updates as a direct result of collecting 1.80 million signatures.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh I don't know... how about banning glyphosate,

    Glyphosate isn't banned in the EU. From the EU website: "Glyphosate is currently approved as an active substance in the EU until 15 December 2033".

    There was a petition to ban it, but the response was "On the first aim, to 'ban glyphosate-based herbicides', the Commission concluded that there are neither scientific nor legal grounds to justify a ban of glyphosate, and will not make a legislative proposal to that effect."

    the Clean Water Directive received major updates as a direct result of collecting 1.80 million signatures.

    You might mean the Drinking Water Directive, and 1.6 million signatures.

    I see some press releases on updates, but I can't find anything outside of government websites saying things have improved. I'd imagine if this was a big deal there'd be news stories on it.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It is! It wasn't created because of an online petition!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Most of those resulted in "the laws in place are already good enough" responses. From your links

    The EU response to stop vivisection:

    The Commission considers that the Directive on the protection of animals used for scientific purposes (Directive 2010/63/EU), which the Initiative seeks to repeal, is the right legislation to achieve the underlying objectives of the Initiative. It sets full replacement of animals as its ultimate goal as soon as it is scientifically possibly, and provides a legally binding stepwise approach as non-animal alternatives become available. Therefore, no repeal of that legislation was proposed

    The EU response to Save the Bees:

    In its reply, the Commission underlined that rather than proposing new legislative acts, the priority is to ensure that the proposals currently being negotiated by the co-legislators are timely adopted and then implemented, together with an effective implementation of the CAP.

    The EU response to Stop Finning:

    the Commission commits to better enforce the EU’s already strong traceability measures by strengthening the enforcement of EU law that applies to the entire value chain - control of fishing at sea, full traceability of shark products from landing to consumer, consumer information, and prevention and redress of illegal trade - and ensuring the collection and reporting of complete and reliable information by fishermen and Member States’ authorities on all these aspects.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The entire premise of your comment is absurd, but let's assume for a moment we really do live in a world where a legal process can't be used unless it's successfully been used for widespread change before; what other action do you suggest people should take?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    A boycott of the worst companies. I've seen lots of people commenting they're never buying an Ubisoft game again under pretty much every article in relation to them. Perhaps boycotts haven't worked in the past but this seems to have enough support and momentum that it could have a real direct impact. Recently, boycotts have been pretty impactful as the world has stopped buying US products and within the US, conservative groups have influenced many companies with boycott and social media campaigns against companies. It's also something that all supporters globally can participate in rather than everyone just hoping a European law might affect products purchased elsewhere.

    The petition was a great way to gauge support, but I feel like people are going all in on its success and when the EU parliament likely issues its "we take consumer protection seriously which is why we already have the best laws in the world and don't need to change anything" statement, people are just going to act defeated. There's going to be a doomer post about how the EU parliament is corrupt and piratesoftware is the devil that gets 1000 upvotes and then that'll be it instead of using the support and momentum in a more direct and impactful way.

    There are lots of ways to make a change. It shouldn't be all in on a single petition and that's it. That's not how social and political changes happen.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So your suggestion is instead of any attempt at regulation people should just boycott a company years after they've already given that company their money, despite the fact that you admit n even more ideal circumstances boycotts still do not work?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not mutually exclusive. I'd suggest people do as many things as they can.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You mean like all the things in the link OP posted which you scrolled past just to be an ass in the comments?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Maybe I come off wrong in text? I wasn't trying to be an ass. I don't think any of my comments were rude. There's a comment in this thread calling someone a cuck with upvotes. I'd say that's being an ass. I was just trying to be realistic.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Apple didn't want to switch to USB-C, now they use it. Almost all manufacturers didn't want replaceable batteries, in a short while they'll have to. The EU, despite not being perfect, is a functioning entity and therefore can force vendors regardless of their desire.

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  • [+] -26 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Apple was already using USB C everywhere else. They were using it rather early. You can debate about how fast they should kill lightning after its introduction (before USB-C was finalized), but the EU didn’t single handedly make Apple consider USB-C on iPhones.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 1 year ago

    While it's easy to be pessimistic about this. This is one of the few options to make actual change. Leaving thing as they are is a worse situation since it means that companies like Ubisoft can and will destroy the games which we own.

    Will there be resistance? Yes Ubisoft is already stated their opposition to it.)

    But it's not up to companies like Ubisoft for how the EU makes it's laws, it's up to the EU itself. When there is potentially 1.4 million people in Europe telling you to "stop killing games" it's going to be hard to tell them no.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    this is not simply a petition, it's a tool for bringing issues in front of the eu parliament, which has to address it. it's a kinda new thing, and untested, but it looks pretty functional for now. also, Nicolae Ștefănuță, vice president of the eu parliament, has openly supported this citizens initiative.

    not all countries are as dysfunctional as the US, and i'm sorry for you that your government sucks ass. But if this works, it will be positive for every gamer worldwide, so maybe you get to enjoy more consumer protection than before.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We just hit 1.6M votes to "debate" a horrible law that's in the passing here in France (re-allowing cancerous anti pest substances and more), we should have aimed at the EU level instead!

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