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Yeah, tell AI all your great ideas, You can count on AI corporations to keep your secrets (lemmus.org)
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[–] 8 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

Where do you think they get the data from? The entire web of internet has been consumed, these models need constant new data or else they fall behind.

I don't see in anyway they can't not steal your work. It may not be all of it out right, and most peoples projects are not even that important to steal. They might just steal specific functions or copy off some of your work but essentially reskin the rest of it.

But Microsoft's a monopoly and has done this stuff in the past with word, and tried to do it again with the Microsoft store around windows 7/8 era. More and more of their product is being agentically coded, and if a new feature becomes popular enough in third parties they'll likely just spin off their own version. And if you use their services then they just outright have access to your work.

These tech companies like meta just consume anything below it and either kill it or encorperate it into themselves. I don't think its that far of a stretch to think they don't already do this to some extent.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    You're conflating the theft of code used to train models with the theft of a business brand.

    Yes, of course they're using your code to train their models. That use is in their terms and their licensing.

    No, of course they don't steal businesses. However, they do acquire them or destroy them or undermine them, as is long standing tradition.

    I don't understand your point though? As in, how can anyone feel secure using their platform.

    Code isn't sacred cleverness that contains the value of a business. Being able to read the code doesn't allow one to steal the value of that business. The value is in the brand, the domain, and the userbase.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Maybe you are misunderstanding my point, I don't think I implied that they would steal your whole buisness, but fundamentally the work you put in. Much like how all open source code ends up in most of the responses when you ask a model to code something for you.

    Your work that you put in will get outputted in someone else's responses, or Microsoft's. If I made some kind of feature for a office clone and I used Microsoft services they can outright steal my work and make a clone of the same feature.

    They don't have to steal my brand or anything to put me out of buisness. They can just brute force me with money and capture more users just with advertising, they could force some kind of regulation where I can't physically keep up with the legal change. There's so many things they can do, and have historically done when its suited them. Hell if I had employees they could just hire them and steal my work that way, its not above them in any form.

    Maybe its hard for me to explain because I lack a good example and this imaginary product is very vague. But they can essentially steal your buisness if they wanted to, and I don't see how anyone can feel confident using their products and not expect their work to become someone else's work at some point.

    I think chatgpt gave output on someone's game that they developed, like carbon copy of their code. I don't think its some far fetched scenario.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think you really understand my point ?

    If you created some feature for libreoffice why would microsoft want to steal your code for office? They could just write their own code which would obviously be a better fit for their code base.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    I'm not sure I fully did but your questions imply to me we are taking past eachother.

    From my understanding you are still stuck up on the idea that they can't nessisarly steal an idea for your product because its not really yours to begin with. And Microsoft if they wrote their own code doesn't really count as theft of the product.

    My concern is windows is becoming increasingly agentically coded. If there's a popular product thats new and drives in more users and Microsoft wants to steal that, they're most likely making it from their LLM these days, which will directly steal from your unique product if you coded it with their systems. All these Ai companies have fake legal wording that says they won't use the data in training, or that the instances are private but that is simply not true.

    That is still theft, and because this is Microsoft's ecosystem they own all that data not you. If I made it myself in a non Microsoft enviorment, so Linux, codeburge, etc I think in the future I might at least have a leg to stand on to sue them like how the music industry did with sora or whatever.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Yes, of course they're using your code to train their models. That use is in their terms and their licensing.

    It's irrelevant to your point but this is absolutely not true. As far as I know they don't have legal basis to violate software licenses of new projects added to github, but even if I'm mistaken on that an enormous number of projects were on github when microsoft purchased it, and almost all of them were at minimum licensed so that code usage required attribution. Microsoft has been very aware that no person or organization behind a project hosted on github has the financial resources to take them to court.

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