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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (61 children)

    Can always count on someone who likes genocide support and wants to abandon trans people to stand up for democrats.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (59 children)

    It became undeniable that netanyahu was committing genocide. Biden kept selling him weapons anyway, in direct knowing contravention of the Leahy law.

    I get that it's your favoritest thing ever, but some people have standards other than "no progressives."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    israel has been doing this shit for decades

    And you have been supporting it the entire time.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Now that trump is president, you have to pretend that you don't love everything netanyahu is doing. Your opposition to genocide is less than a year old.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I dunno, i’ve been protesting against israel since I was a a teen

    Which is why you're so angry at anyone who comes around to opposing genocide.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    but you suddenly care NOW? nope you are a fake.

    Again, netanyahu massively ramped up the genocide, to the point where no one could deny it in good faith, and EVEN THEN democrats wouldn't stop selling him weapons.

    In this conversation, you've been a lot angrier at people who joined the opposition to genocide than you have been about the genocide itself.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well, one of us wanted biden to stop selling weapons for the genocide you've done nothing but equivocate in favor of.

    I don't know where you're getting the idea that I hate obama.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I want them to stop. You want me to shut up about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    no i want you to keep talking about it

    Your efforts to stop me indicate otherwise.

    You never gave a shit until conservative think tanks told you to.

    conservative think tanks are famously pro-Palestine, huh?

    This has been happening for literally so long and you never cared until ‘now.’

    Are you being a hipster about genocide opposition?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    You lost to Donald trump of all people.

    As long as democrats didn't abandon netanyahu, centrists are fine with trump.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Hey if all americans are genocider isn't that a good think if they're dying?

    More world peace that way

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Lmao you know you're out of argument when you have to resort to spelling gotchas. What an idiot.

    Do you have some other technicalities to point out? Your punctuation is horrible, you should really do something about it, mr shakespeare.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    You sure are angry that people have come around to opposing the genocide now that netanyahu has ramped it up.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I think it's a massive upscaling of existing hostilities on netanyahu's part. Are you going to pretend that it's been at this level since the late '40s?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    You're telling me that hostilities have been at the same level as today the entire time? Hogwash.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    they couldn’t be as their arent as much Palestinians to be killed as their used to be

    You're trying to tell me that the netanyahu regime killed about as many Palestinians in 2022 as he did in 2024. That's simply false and you know it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Do you think it matters to someone (such as a palestinian person) how quickly they get killed periodically like that makes any sort of difference?

    Do you think anyone in Gaza is like "welp, this is just as tolerable as it was 2 years ago"?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    sounds like we are on the same side

    I don't gloat about genocide like you have in this thread.

    most likely because Kamala was too ethnic for your tastes and a woman–

    I mean, centrists keep saying that a woman of color can't win, but that's just because they don't want AOC to run.

    Neat em dash, btw.

    by the way is she on epsteins list?

    I doubt it. I don't know why you keep insinuating that she is.

    Now you think people believe you when suddenly care?

    centrists believe the worst of anyone who doesn't love the only policy they don't immediately abandon under the slightest pressure. I'm used to the hatred of genocide apologists.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    the funniest part about you pretenders talking about palestine is that i’ve been talking about it since I was a teen.

    Sure you have, hipster.

    Now you are lying about me gloating about it?

    Here's you gloating about it:

    https://lemmy.world/post/33168381/18342684

    Any further contact that does not begin with an apology for lying about me will receive no reply.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I don't give a shit about democrats, idiots. I care that a bunch of americans (which you are lmao) wanna firebomb loved one. Scumbag genocide voter. How do you feel knowing your country is bombing people. You turn THAT into a domestic political gotcha? Stupid scum.

    Had your democrats knew their base wasn't a bunch of cowards they might have considered the electoral implications of bonbing civilians.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Maybe harris should have run on that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you really think harris was on epstein's list?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (43 children)

    Segregation is schools never went away (partly due to Biden breaking with the party to oppose desegregation), northern areas set up school districts based on the race of the neighborhoods, made easy by redlining, and private schools in the south.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_segregation_in_the_United_States#Segregation_since_the_1960s

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    applause please for alcoholicorn! They somehow think biden is the reason why the department of education is being dismantled!

    Well, he didn't exactly help, did he?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans, then blamed for ‘doing nothing’

    democrats had a majority. They chose not to use it. They chose to break their promises. You only support biden because he sold weapons to netanyahu for you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    And why was the ACA enacted then?

    I was talking about the majority that democrats didn't use during the first half of the biden administration. You know this, but since you've decided to pivot, let's talk about the ACA. The original version had a public option and no individual mandate. It was a heritage foundation policy, and that was before democrats nerfed it. Centrists have been coasting on a neutered heritage foundation policy for 15 years now.

    We gave democrats the house, the senate, and the presidency in 2020. They chose not to use it. Now pretend I'm talking about something else. You know better, but that won't stop you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    This will be the second time you've attempted to change the subject in as many comments.

    But since you brought up the filibuster, why haven't democrats used it since trump took office?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    One that you brought up because you don't want to talk about the ACA anymore for some reason. Keep changing the subject in defense of the party that sells your favorite person weapons for your favorite activity.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    At this point, I don't know what you're talking about. You just seem determined to change the subject.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    the original topic was mitch mconnell filibustering his own bill when obama approved it.

    This is a lie. It was not the "original topic" and anyone who can scroll up can confirm this. You're the one who keeps trying to talk about mcconnell (I have to actually write his name because otherwise you will immediately pretend I'm talking about someone else) in a thread that isn't about him.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No its a original topic that you refuse to acknowledge.

    Yeah, it really sucks when people don't want to change the subject when you do.

    Which is you saying dems do nothing and me saying they (conservatives) only obstruct and enrich millionaires and racists, even against their own bills.

    Yeah, republicans do that. We don't have to keep making it easy for them. Yet we keep the filibuster around because republicans use it to block progressive legislation, and centrists like being able to point to republicans and be like "It's their fault!" When all it would take to pass anything democrats want is 50 votes to kill the filibuster for good. But they know they have people who will try endlessly to pivot to mcconnell in order to defend democrats' inaction.

    Why did Mitch filibuster his own bill, crab?

    I don't know. Why do you keep trying to change the subject to the guy who blocks the things you don't want passed for you?

    or do you want me to walk you through it like a child again?

    You do a lot of things like a child.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You seems to be very aware of american politics for an arab / jewish person. Wouldn't you be american?

    You never put a foot in the middle east did ya. Or maybe on holiday? Deployment?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans

    You do know Biden as VP was the dog whistle to show the wealthy they could vote for Obama and nothing would get done ...

    Right?

    It's wasn't just Republicans that's stopped M4A, just like back with FDR the "moderates" sided with the Republicans.

    Biden said he wanted some things to happen, but never tried because he kept saying he didn't know if it would work

    If you think Biden legitimately put effort in for two years Dems had majority ...

    Why the fuck did Biden spend so much time calling himself the fucking "Senate whisper"?

    His whole deal was he could work with Republicans, and when we got majorities he threw his hands up and said trying would be a waste of fucking time.

    If you didn't pay attention to any of that, the last election must have made no sense to you at all...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    who did the ACA? who came up with that plan? Lets hear it finally

    Mit Romney?

    Although technically when it got past Dem moderates it was a more conservative version of Romney's plan...

    Do people still not know that in 2025?

    https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/23/451200436/mitt-romney-finally-takes-credit-for-obamacare

    https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/23/mitt-romney-admits-romneycare-had-to-precede-obamacare.html

    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-mitt-romney-saved-obamacare-msna626361

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2012/mar/20/romneycare-and-obamacare-can-you-tell-difference/

    I'm constantly surprised how people can be so opinionated, but never curious enough to learn....

    Like, that's my whole point

    Obama sold us "fixing healthcare"

    And we literally ended up with a more conservative version of the Republican plan. Because moderate Dems sided with Republicans.

    Were you agreeing wit me and I just "whooshed"?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right ...

    So what about the elected Democrats who said Romenys plan had to become more conservative for them to vote for it?

    Everyone on the correct side has a D by their name, you seem to get that...

    You just don't understand that everyone with a D by their isn't on the correct side

    Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square

    I hope that got thru to you, but I'll never know

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I didn't ask about Asians. How many black people went to your high-school?

    Its not normal to have private schools everywhere

    It literally is, it started with the desegregation effort, and any place with too mixed of a black and Latino population for public schools to be along racial lines has had private schools for the last half century.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    It is the norm! The private schools have been built everywhere that has a mixed population 50 years ago. Its why 5% of California is black, but there was like 3 black kids at your school, this is a common experience across the country. Racist housing and education policy has bipartisan support.

    Remember that clip of Biden going "I dont want my kids growing up in a "racial jungle"? The policies that would have let more black kids go to your school was what he was opposing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Oh, I see what youre failing to understand, the private schools were built for the purpose of enabling segregation where they couldnt just draw school district lines accordingly line in california. I assumed that was obvious from the context.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Read my post and try again. We can continue when you demonstrate you're caught up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Defending public schools was going on long before Trump, the last public school in New Orleans closed in 2014. In areas with largely segregated populations, it takes a different appearance; they make a mostly black district, excluding any wealthy areas and businesses that would contribute taxes, and then you dont have to defund when theres no funds to start with, and those few funds go to a police department that hires from outside the district. See Furgison.

    The US never meaningfully desegregated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The point is that Trump's education policy is not unique or new, and the republicans don't have a monopoly on racism; structural racism in education has a bipartisan consensus.

    The fact that you attribute it to Trump tells me you either didn't know the history or you dont actually care beyond its utility as hostile evidence against the red team and will support the dems in 4 years when they promote policies with the same end effect in 2-4 years?

    Just like with ICE, Bush created it, instead of defunding it, Obama built the cages, but libs only cared when Trump was using them, and there was total silence when Biden expanded them, and now libs pretend to care again.

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