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The process (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

How is it 1984 IRL?

The ruling powers in 1984 are sadistically oppressing the people. With seemingly no other point to it, than oppressing and tormenting on a mass scale. The whole point of the surveillance in 1984 was to oppress, the surveillance was secondary. I'm not saying that we can't draw parallels, and some can probably be made without too much mental gymnastics, but it's not like 1984 1:1, not even close.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Making people not own anything anymore while stealing all their data and forcing shit into them while making them pay monthly fees which increase constantly to bleed people dry, is not sadistic and oppressing? While at the same time taking control of governments by paying off corrupt politicians to change rules to make more money at the cost of safely, environment and freedom of people? Maybe the only difference is that the reason to torment and oppress is to gain money and power. But is that different to 1984? It's how regimes maintain power. Make the people weak enough so they can't do anything against you but make them not weak enough to work for you.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    A lot of what you say resonates with me. I wish people who feel this way could just all move somewhere or something. But even if we could I'm sure it would just get bombed like Tulsa did.

    I wonder what would happen if we all stopped using cell phones and laptops. Stopped really driving anywhere or buying things. I'm sure it's quite impossible for some. But we can always say no in some way or another. I wonder how bad it would have to get before people seriously think that the Amish lifestyle is preferable.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    You bet your ass it'll be getting relatively sadistic if our governments become full dictatorships. They just end up being control systems for the sake of control, losing its foundational origins. There are plenty of countries that disappear dissenters and subject its people to 1984 style torture/re-eduction camps.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    Do you mean AI companies are not using AI mostly to oppress other forms of thinking?

    (Disclaimer: I do not share this opinion)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Do you mean AI companies are not using AI mostly to oppress other forms of thinking?

    I think it's the goal for some companies. I'm not sure that it is happening yet. Not for a lack of trying. I mean grok is supposed to be very friendly to Musk agenda of the day, but appear to be uncontrollable in regards to facts vs opinion.

    (Disclaimer: I do not share this opinion)

    I don't think I do either, IDK. It's not a hill I'm about to die on, I'm hardly even prepared to play yahtzee for this hill.

    What I opined to was the invocation of 1984 as soon as something can be used as surveillance. Because people who do this have either never read the book, or they've read the cover when visiting someone, who just happened to have a copy laying casually on their coffee table.

    My problem is that spying isn't the main purpose of the surveillance in 1984. The main purpose is to ensure people know they're under surveillance, and make sure that nobody not feel oppressed. And while I dislike AI in everything, I don't believe that AI was introduced to hurt me or most other people.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    And while I dislike AI in everything, I don’t believe that AI was introduced to hurt me or most other people.

    Then why are they losing money on it while it pollutes inordinately and denies people access to information? AI is basically signal jamming the entire internet, at great expense, with no actual path to profitability. They're certainly not doing it to make money, because as it stands they're all losing money right now. Oppression, in the form of information denial, and regulation of communication, appears to be the primary goal.

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