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[–] 88 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I once got two jaywalking tickets in 5 minutes at 9pm in Seattle. Cop was just a jerk. His car was the only car to be seen.

I crossed after he passed, I was in the fucking crosswalk. And then a block later I crossed during the blinking caution and made it to the other side before it was solid.

I contested it in court but this is before Seattle stopped letting cops abuse the law. The judge couldn't really do anything and said that if a cop gives you a ticket you're basically guilty and that's that.

Thankfully Seattle changed it's law after getting bad press for one incident when a Japanese girl was visiting to see Ichiro and the Mariners. When the game got out everyone was walking out and a fucking cop singled her out because she left the crosswalk but there was literally 20 other people doing that same thing. It was clearly racist and to try and keep a massive lawsuit from happening they changed the laws of jaywalking. I'm sure the cops still abuse it for minorities or punks walking around in an empty downtown after hours

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  • [–] 79 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    if a cop gives you a ticket you're basically guilty and that's that

    Good thing we only let the most upstanding citizens have that kind of authority...

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    That kind of authority fundamentally should not exist within a just society.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Man, people cannot be trusted to just, "not be dicks". There are dumb laws but there are also plenty that exist to protect people from assholes and idiots.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    "Law" has always meant what those who hold authority over its enforcement says it means. Its origins came from whatever the King decreed, as he was the one who held legal authority at the time.

    That system was never intended to do anything other than exert an entity's will over others via threat of physical violence for disobeying. It was never meant to "uphold justice", "protect the people", or whatever moralistic tripe the current ruling class who assumed control of its current manifestation says it means and just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't mean the clock works.

    We can have mutually agreed upon rules and regulations but that authority to dictate who must follow it has to come from the bottom up. Those who don't should not be forced into the arrangement against their will but neither should anyone have to associate with those who decide to not abide by it. Other ways of governing ourselves is possible. We know this because history tells us so, as explained by anthropologist David Graeber in many of his works.

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