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Republicans wanted fewer abortions and more births. They are getting the opposite (www.theguardian.com)
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The rate of voluntary sterilization among young women jumped abruptly after Dobbs, and there’s no reason to believe it will drop off

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

Since your poverty of thought is so grand, I'll share with you what Kings did; The lesser rich become the new labor class. The children of lawyers and doctors will be who the truly wealthy pay to clean, build, and repair everything

The guy who wiped the king's ass was usually the son of a duke at least. It was considered a great honor to be 'The Groom of the Stool'.

And they only need us pitiful poor laborers until robotics advances a bit more.

I find it so funny when people use the threat "Ok well then I'll just die off and then who will empty your trash!"

It's not the barb you think it is...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The way we are heading within 30 years either your family will serve the ultra rich or they starve

    And everyone like you pretending this is just a casual economic discussion and not an active existential threat is helping to bring that day closer

    You think 'yeah stuff is weird now but it'll all work out in the end'

    That's not what's happening here, we are well past the cusp of catastrophic social collapse, WELL past

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You think ‘yeah stuff is weird now but it’ll all work out in the end’

    That’s not what’s happening here, we are well past the cusp of catastrophic social collapse, WELL past

    I'm kinda glad that somebody else sees it that way too. I've been thinking it for a while now. I (for reasons i can't explain) believe that women can feel the future (somehow) and intuitively don't want to have children anymore. If i look around and ask anybody i know, very few people my age (20 - 30) say that they intend to ever have children.

    Now, i agree with you that automation, and more importantly the end of growth will make workers largely superfluous. I suspect that instead of some kind of retirement or subsidy-based living, the rich actively try to kinda "terraform" the whole population by getting rid of the workers and only keeping everybody else, and i suspect that we're gonna see a population decline as steep as we saw an ascent during the last centuries:

    Just in reverse, i.e. in 2200, we might have 1 billion people on earth again.

    The reason will largely be unemployment (or rather underemployment - not earning enough to make a living) instead of a resource shortage (such as agricultural shortages).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know this is a really difficult topic to discuss, and i'm trying to be careful while talking about it, but i'm kinda looking for somebody to talk to about this, so here goes some more thoughts:

    Contrary to the 19th and 20th century where a labor shortage was a constant theme, in the next 200 years (assuming the population really does go down symmetrically) there'll be a labor excess, i.e. functional underemployment (i.e. wages being too low to sustain a proper living). Social spending like UBI (universal basic income) are really just a patchwork and leave the population at the whims of the government, which is why people don't like it so much, but still recognize its necessity. Long-term, matching labor supply and labor demand is the only meaningful way, i.e. drastically reducing labor supply.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think you're right about women and birth rates, but I don't think it's anything mystical, rather it's just an unconscious perception

    Like that eerie feeling you get when you feel a place 'isn't right', it's usually several red flags you don't even consciously know but your brain is saying 'Ok a lot of things here match with a bad thing that happened in the past, be careful'

    And I feel our current and coming economic collapse is creating these subconscious red flags that women intuitively feel:

    The necessities for life are more and more difficult to acquire, women's rights to healthcare is being attacked, and authoritarianism which is inherently misogynistic is on the rise

    Honestly it just makes sense that women don't want to bring babies into this messed up world.

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