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[–] 66 points 3 months ago (32 children)

The weirdest part won’t be bots outnumbering humans: It’ll be bots writing articles for bots, bots summarising them for other bots, bots commenting underneath, and bots measuring the engagement. … Meanwhile three actual humans are somewhere wondering why the internet suddenly feels so empty.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    And you wonder why the mega corps want you to give your ID for accessing the internet. Then they can tie your traffic as an actual human and generate ad monies.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    I know it's unrealistic, but what would it take to return to a previous type of Internet that wasn't so siloed and marketed, and filled with dread Internet?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    In a way, the Lemmy layer is sort of doing that. The previous type of Internet is still out there, if you just take the effort to access it / avoid the links in to the marketed sides.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think we’d have to take money out of the equation. Without the profit, the mass farms, etc would be pointless. There’s still be trolls but it would be so much better.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Probably less nostalgia and more open protocols. Bring back personal websites, RSS, forums and interoperable social networks. Make switching services painless, kill algorithmic engagement as the default and stop treating every click as ad inventory.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I have started going back to forums and RSS feeds when I can find them. Most of the forums though are pretty dead. I have even started using Usenet again for actual text newsgroups.

    I am hoping for a bit of a resurgence as more people move away from algorithmic social media but I won't hold my breathe on that.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Is lemmy nothing to you people?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    No humans here. Just us bots.

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    What I wonder is: how long before "bot speak" becomes unintelligible to humans.

    Already: AI slop is so voluminous, redundantly repetitive, thoroughly complete that it defies complete comprehension due to soporific effects.

    LLM agents are writing English (or Spanish, or Chinese, Hindi, whatever... and I wonder which they're "best" at) documents, ostensibly for human review and consumption, but 90%+ of what I have my LLM agents write is exclusively consumed by other agents, and I'm constantly encouraging them to make their writings more easily comprehended and accessed by other agents - it seems like the English translation is pretty useless for that layer - what would a token stream look like instead?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The tokens ARE language. They're just words or parts of words.

    If you're using a western LLM, English IS its strongest language. Otherwise it might be Chinese or English.

    There's no "LLM native language" to convert to for efficiency. Maybe pseudocode or actual code for things where you need to disambiguate.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    There’s no “LLM native language” to convert to for efficiency.

    Yet. With 1000x as much bot-content being generated on the web as human generated content, the "bot spoken" training set will grow rather quickly, and I see no reason for it not to evolve in a similar way to how human spoken languages evolve.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    What's the point in coming up with an entire new language for them if they can just write English and humans will also understand it?

    Kinda pointless to have LLMs optimised to produce garbage humans can't understand because at the end, your goal is still to produce something humans will consume.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    LLM agents are writing English (...) documents, ostensibly for human review and consumption, but 90%+ of what I have my LLM agents write is exclusively consumed by other agents, ... and accessed by other agents - it seems like the English translation is pretty useless for that layer ...

    But remember, the LLM is trained on human language. It doesn't understand what it is talking about, it just simulates humans talking about it. I don't think there is a more fundamental token stream there to be uncovered.

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