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Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' by GCHQ using activation programs (www.bbc.co.uk)
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[–] 1 point 3 months ago* (11 children)

I'm on a phone right now, but look up any of those claims.

But from what I'm getting is no matter what claims I substantiate, you will deny deny deny. So, let's not kid ourselves, you aren't here to have your eyes opened, you're here to defend the fruit store at all costs. If I'm wrong, look up one claim I made and if they're true and you admit it, we can continue and I'll look for proof of the others.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    No no. One link. Just post one link, no wall of text, of a reputable news org or hackers org that substantiates any of your claims. That’s all you have to do to prove to me you want to be credible or reasonable.

    I’ve reversed my position many times in light of better evidence. As I said, good luck.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    Bug bounties. Depending on your response to this, I'll go out and find more links to substantiate claims.

    I misremembered the first one as there was a lot of negative news regarding the security program. Here it is: from 2020 [We Hacked Apple for 3 Months: Here’s What We Found] (https://samcurry.net/hacking-apple)

    Here are the negative reports:

    The last one is about the community uproar regarding the nerfs to their bug bounty program. That's probably the most relevant right now.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Ok, thanks for providing some sources.

    In the first article I see:

    As of October 6th, 2020, the vast majority of these findings have been fixed and credited. They were typically remediated within 1-2 business days (with some being fixed in as little as 4-6 hours).

    Not great, not terrible either.

    The other articles all read to me as a bounty program in flux but not being shut down or the corporation going muted and isolationist. They are still doing outreach and having discussions, just not at the higher payouts the bounty hunters were expected.

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    I was however asking links about your more wild claims “Iphones haven been hacked”, “bezos has been hacked” etc. Those are very hard to believe without any evidence.

    But I’m grateful you responded in a constructive way, and posted relevant links. I just don’t think they depict the fruit farm as evil as you would like.

    That said, we both want the same thing (seeing we’re here and not in spez’ backyard): decentralisation. As soon as there is a viable alternative, I’ll hop on board and even donate.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    I was however asking links about your more wild claims “Iphones haven been hacked”, “bezos has been hacked” etc. Those are very hard to believe without any evidence.

    Enjoy the read.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Your second link goes to an article with tons of ads where there one source linked to this:

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/icloud-for-windows-corrupting-videos-downloading-other-peoples-photos.2370666/page-2

    One user posting something without any proof, one or two others saying me too, and then the entire thread doesn’t even get longer than 2 pages with most people fretting about Apple’s apps on windows sucking balls since before the stone age. Someone in that thread points out that if this was real, there would be tons of outlets like The Verge posting about this outlining steps to replicate etc. None of that happened.

    I’m going to have to bail here buddy. I entertained a random person on the internet, im sure you’re a good person, but I have been following the fruit farm from very close for very long. Nothing I say will make you think that I’m not a hypnotised blinded by fruit person, but that’s okay.

    Your other articles probably are mostly true: Apple has bent over to China because it’s one of their biggest markets and their plan to divest production from that country will take decades, but is going well.

    Apple is an ad company and a streaming company. They still don’t sell personal data and are nowhere near the apocalyptic personal data harvesters like Meta, Amazon and Alphabet have built their businesses around.

    They don’t get a free pass, but of all of silicon valley they are the least bad of a bunch of really rotten ones. And miles behind the ethics of Linus Torvalds.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I guess we entertained each other for long enough 🤷

    You ignore Pegasus, the CLOUD act, applications unable to start, play down their bug bounty program and their position as an ad company. You say you follow the fruit farm very closely for very long, but didn't know about any of the things I posted. It doesn't seem like you ever were going to take anything i posted seriously. Can't say I'm surprised.

    Anyway, you're probably rooting for more ethical opensource instead of less (at least I'll give you the benefit of the doubt). Have a nice life.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Thanks

    I’m not ignoring it, Pegasus is very old news, never was proven to have an established backdoor and always needed a trojan horse like system to work (i.e. gullible user clicks on stuff) again that’s not limited to the fruit farm, and happens to all systems, even open source linux. If anything the fruit farm does better work at bringing awareness of potential spammers and scammers in their text and email apps.

    Cloud act again applies to all not just Apple. There simply is no evidence in anything you’re presenting to substantiate ios being readily hackable in a wide scale to the extent that “even Bezos got hacked”, that’s all I’m saying. I took all of it serious, you just didn’t demonstrate anything that I wasn’t already aware of or provided demonstrable proof of your wild claims. (Articles with steps to reproduce, lists of victims, class action suits costing apple millions of dollars etc), because it never happened.

    And the reason it has yet to happen, is because they still have a (not that great but still functional) bounty program, regular software updates, and still despite the most fascistic regime ever above them, have not built in a backdoor despite many prior requests.

    The only thing that is increasingly happening behind the scenes probably is them secretly complying more and more with secret court orders (not court orders that are sealed, but secret courts that the public isn’t aware of, issuing orders with full legal effect) and using that to aide ICE/BPD in their gestapo shit). Which is horrible and bad, but would again be exactly what meta, alphabet and amazon are also doing.

    Take care and thanks for the civil discourse.

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