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Freenet - Services Without Servers (www.youtube.com)
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[–] 1 point 3 months ago (10 children)

So it's exactly like ZeroNet then? I listened to the talk about FreeNet but I didn't hear much about how moderation is supposed to work. Somehow there needs to be a way to remove content.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    Hyphanet (the predecessor to this new Freenet; possibly superior in some ways) uses an implementation of the "Web of Trust" idea for stuff like this. It doesn't remove content, but hides it if you and the people you trust, don't trust that pseudonym (you can assign trust levels in the 0-100 range IIRC). There are also freesite indexes that are curated (multiple levels; a "clean" one that only contains stuff that is unlikely to cause legal problems, an intermediate one that allows stuff like piracy, and a unmoderated one I think). I guess you can say that Hyphanet doesn't bake moderation into the system itself, but offloads that to individuals and groups. I like this idea, because different people and groups think different things are acceptable and not.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    So their solution is to hide the csam for the masses and let the pedos run wild in the dark? What about human trafficking?

    As much as I think that freedom and free speech are super important, I also think that some things should not be freely allowed.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Presumably, there are other ways to catch them than to allow total surveillance of society. I mean, I don't think the post office should inspect every person's mail without a warrant either; and I'm sure there's plenty of CSAM transmitted through it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah and I am completely against total surveillance as well. But we need some solution to catch these predators.

    The main problem with the internet compared to sending mail is that everyone can be exposed to what is available online. Like for example on ZeroNet, on some chan-board I randomly visited, there were some csam that I got exposed to and it was not by choice...

    I now had csam on my computer and I was now also helping distribute it since I had seen it. (Yay peer to peer internet). In the end I decided to deleted the ZeroNet program off of my computer and never come back.

    I am not advocating for total surveillance or restrictions of rights but we need some solution to a real problem. If it's a technical solution or a societal solution I can not say.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Hmm, yeah, the being exposed thing is what the Web of Trust system is supposed to prevent. I guess I feel that it's more important to protect everyone's anonymity than to possibly make it easier to catch people distributing and consuming CSAM. There are other ways to catch and prosecute the people who produce, distribute, and consume CSAM. It doesn't happen in a vacuum, and is not a purely digital crime.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah and I am completely against total surveillance as well. But we need some solution to catch these predators.

    Then go catch them? We know who they are. We have the Epstein files. One of them even posts from the official Twitter account of the POTUS.

    But don't throw the rest of us under the bus. In particular when it's them driving the bus and equipping it a Mad Max-style plower.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    If you think that the only pedos in the world are Epstein and his friends then I have news for you.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don't, but I do know it's those pedos who make the surveillance and the laws about it.

    So come on, what are you waiting for? Go be useful.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    What's up with you being this confrontational and wanting me to go be useful?

    I am not American. I have nothing to do with their shitty politicians and their shitty laws and regulatory system.

    My country and our politicians has nothing to do with Epstein and his pedo ring.

    I do what I can from my position and right now that is spreading awareness and raising the issue about moderating a platform that is designed to not be moderated.

    What the fuck are you doing?

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