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China Just Dropped Another Bomb on America's Frontier AI Companies (gizmodo.com)
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[–] -3 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

You are simply defending the military industrial complex's killing of civilians for profit. China is now the world's fourth largest arms supplier by most measures.

The fact that China's government has compete ownership is even more damning than a government not properly regulating a private defense contractor. At least then they could claim some ignorance to the consequences of arms proliferation.

I find your argument that China sells arms for the right reason both spurious and ideologically driven. It is not what is happening. What is happening is a corporation is making profit off of human death.

I get that you don't care. You have a million excuses and frankly I am not buying it.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    You are not engaging with the argument. You are assigning a fixed moral meaning to the abstract act of supplying weapons while ignoring who controls them, who receives them, and what they are used for. Calling every arms transfer “profit from death” is just an easy handwave to avoid dealing with reality. It is moralism that erases ownership, state power, class interest, and concrete material conditions.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (11 children)

    We already know these weapons end up on both sides of conflicts. You are either ignorant or being disingenuous. If it is the former, here is an article.

    https://www.btl-research.com/p/chinese-weapons-on-both-sides-of

    Due to the way proliferation of arms works you can never ensure your weapons of destruction end up in the right hands, plus you are making a moral decision by deciding which group to arm to begin with. Even if we did give the Chinese MIC the benefit of the doubt they are still aware that they have inadvertently armed both sides.

    I don't buy it as in it is objectively wrong and more disgusting acts of imperialism. You hand wave the civilian death away because you don't care.

    You don't get to choose the argument. I have presented my belief and the facts that are not debatable.

    borcsrt the terms. Because you lack humanity . You are simply wrong in my eyes and that is okay.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah with every response I'm more sure you are a privileged white pacifist from the imperial core. To be consistent you of course must condemn the ANC, the union in the American civil war and the allies in ww2 for the use and dissemination of weapons. I hope you one day grow up but for now please fuck off

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    Yes, we already know you don't have an argument so you resort to silly insults that amount to lies and then a generous amount of whataboutism. I am not surprised.

    Edit: for clarity I will gladly condem the US. I have studied human rights most of my life and the US is the greatest offender in my eyes.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You condemn the union? Wow you are evil. A pro confederacy pacifist now that's a first. Do you also condemn the allies? The ANC? The IRA? The militant unions who won the 8 hour work day and 5 day workweek? and If your answer to any of this is no you have quite the inconsistent position.

    whataboutism

    Nonsense word used by shithead debatebros to avoid comparative argument that would expose their hypocrisy and inconsistencies.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    Calling out actions that causes human suffering could be considered evil I am sure. But only for people who would act like bootlickers to nations and corporations.

    Do I condemn other nations for doing the same things? Yes, of course. You are clearly out if your league living out some campist fantasy. I have no dogs in this fight and I am most critical of the country I am from since I know it the best.

    What does labor unions have to do with this discussion. You are pretty far off the topic unless you can explain your reasoning.

    I can see that the term whataboutism is triggering you. I will refrain from using this loaded language in the future.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Who's we? You speaking French now?

    None of us here agree with your braindead take lol. Look at the votes if you don't believe me.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    Oh you mean my take isn't popular here!? Oh darn!

    It is not popular amongst most groups of human rights deniers.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Marxists : famously anti human rights

    Lmfao.

    You're a joke, man.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    I know, that is what has happened to you guys. Sitting around defending shithole countries like China and Russia because they used to be "communist" when in reality they were always oligarchies.

    I know a lot of leftists (myself included) that are disgusted with the state of things.

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