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[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (13 children) Gandalf was younger than what’sHisFace??? permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 36 points 3 months ago (12 children) That's probably just his length of time on Middle Earth, possibly in a mortal(?) body, given that he has technically existed since before the world, itself, having had a hand in creating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Most of his memories from before in the west were either hidden or forgotten by that time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (10 children) Oh? Is that why they say Gandalf isn’t a wizard and no one knows what he is? He’s like Yoda in that sense? Or yoda is like him, rather? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 31 points 3 months ago (6 children) Who says he's not a wizard? All the wizards in middle earth are descended Angel-like beings. There's only 5 of them. But they're not just old men who figured out magic. They're a counterbalance to their evil counterparts like Morgoth, Sauron and the Balrogs, who are all effectively fallen Angel Spirit things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Sauron was also a Maier, originally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I thought Morgoth was a god and Sauron was an angel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 3 months ago I had forgotten there was a separate level of demigod things above the maiar. You're right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Saw a bunch of memes a few … ago where they were claiming we don’t even know what Gandalf is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago They were incorrect. I've never seen any confusion on his origin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloog@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago It's possible that those memes were about attempts to map the fellowship to DnD classes, which is (1) something lots of people have tried to do (2) an exercise in futility, because only some bits of DnD have ever been based on LotR. Gandalf is too skilled at fighting to be a typical dnd wizard, and his magic is mostly limited by the rules he was given when sent to middle earth, so we don't see him casting spells the way a game wizard would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] egrets@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) It sounds like you might be confusing him with Tom Bombadil? Tom seems to be the embodiment of the spirit of the land -- he's ancient and is totally unaffected by the Rings of Power, but he's tied to his domain. He doesn't appear in the movies, but Treebeard in the extended editions takes on some of his lines and characteristics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Gandalf is a Maiar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Of course, but no one that I've ever come across says that he "isn't a wizard". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 36 points 3 months ago (12 children) That's probably just his length of time on Middle Earth, possibly in a mortal(?) body, given that he has technically existed since before the world, itself, having had a hand in creating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Most of his memories from before in the west were either hidden or forgotten by that time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (10 children) Oh? Is that why they say Gandalf isn’t a wizard and no one knows what he is? He’s like Yoda in that sense? Or yoda is like him, rather? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 31 points 3 months ago (6 children) Who says he's not a wizard? All the wizards in middle earth are descended Angel-like beings. There's only 5 of them. But they're not just old men who figured out magic. They're a counterbalance to their evil counterparts like Morgoth, Sauron and the Balrogs, who are all effectively fallen Angel Spirit things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Sauron was also a Maier, originally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I thought Morgoth was a god and Sauron was an angel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 3 months ago I had forgotten there was a separate level of demigod things above the maiar. You're right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Saw a bunch of memes a few … ago where they were claiming we don’t even know what Gandalf is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago They were incorrect. I've never seen any confusion on his origin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloog@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago It's possible that those memes were about attempts to map the fellowship to DnD classes, which is (1) something lots of people have tried to do (2) an exercise in futility, because only some bits of DnD have ever been based on LotR. Gandalf is too skilled at fighting to be a typical dnd wizard, and his magic is mostly limited by the rules he was given when sent to middle earth, so we don't see him casting spells the way a game wizard would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] egrets@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) It sounds like you might be confusing him with Tom Bombadil? Tom seems to be the embodiment of the spirit of the land -- he's ancient and is totally unaffected by the Rings of Power, but he's tied to his domain. He doesn't appear in the movies, but Treebeard in the extended editions takes on some of his lines and characteristics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Gandalf is a Maiar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Of course, but no one that I've ever come across says that he "isn't a wizard". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Most of his memories from before in the west were either hidden or forgotten by that time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (10 children) Oh? Is that why they say Gandalf isn’t a wizard and no one knows what he is? He’s like Yoda in that sense? Or yoda is like him, rather? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 31 points 3 months ago (6 children) Who says he's not a wizard? All the wizards in middle earth are descended Angel-like beings. There's only 5 of them. But they're not just old men who figured out magic. They're a counterbalance to their evil counterparts like Morgoth, Sauron and the Balrogs, who are all effectively fallen Angel Spirit things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Sauron was also a Maier, originally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I thought Morgoth was a god and Sauron was an angel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 3 months ago I had forgotten there was a separate level of demigod things above the maiar. You're right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Saw a bunch of memes a few … ago where they were claiming we don’t even know what Gandalf is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago They were incorrect. I've never seen any confusion on his origin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloog@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago It's possible that those memes were about attempts to map the fellowship to DnD classes, which is (1) something lots of people have tried to do (2) an exercise in futility, because only some bits of DnD have ever been based on LotR. Gandalf is too skilled at fighting to be a typical dnd wizard, and his magic is mostly limited by the rules he was given when sent to middle earth, so we don't see him casting spells the way a game wizard would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] egrets@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) It sounds like you might be confusing him with Tom Bombadil? Tom seems to be the embodiment of the spirit of the land -- he's ancient and is totally unaffected by the Rings of Power, but he's tied to his domain. He doesn't appear in the movies, but Treebeard in the extended editions takes on some of his lines and characteristics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Gandalf is a Maiar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Of course, but no one that I've ever come across says that he "isn't a wizard". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 31 points 3 months ago (6 children) Who says he's not a wizard? All the wizards in middle earth are descended Angel-like beings. There's only 5 of them. But they're not just old men who figured out magic. They're a counterbalance to their evil counterparts like Morgoth, Sauron and the Balrogs, who are all effectively fallen Angel Spirit things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Sauron was also a Maier, originally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I thought Morgoth was a god and Sauron was an angel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 3 months ago I had forgotten there was a separate level of demigod things above the maiar. You're right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Saw a bunch of memes a few … ago where they were claiming we don’t even know what Gandalf is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago They were incorrect. I've never seen any confusion on his origin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloog@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago It's possible that those memes were about attempts to map the fellowship to DnD classes, which is (1) something lots of people have tried to do (2) an exercise in futility, because only some bits of DnD have ever been based on LotR. Gandalf is too skilled at fighting to be a typical dnd wizard, and his magic is mostly limited by the rules he was given when sent to middle earth, so we don't see him casting spells the way a game wizard would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Sauron was also a Maier, originally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I thought Morgoth was a god and Sauron was an angel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 3 months ago I had forgotten there was a separate level of demigod things above the maiar. You're right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 3 months ago I had forgotten there was a separate level of demigod things above the maiar. You're right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Saw a bunch of memes a few … ago where they were claiming we don’t even know what Gandalf is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago They were incorrect. I've never seen any confusion on his origin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloog@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago It's possible that those memes were about attempts to map the fellowship to DnD classes, which is (1) something lots of people have tried to do (2) an exercise in futility, because only some bits of DnD have ever been based on LotR. Gandalf is too skilled at fighting to be a typical dnd wizard, and his magic is mostly limited by the rules he was given when sent to middle earth, so we don't see him casting spells the way a game wizard would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago They were incorrect. I've never seen any confusion on his origin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gloog@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago It's possible that those memes were about attempts to map the fellowship to DnD classes, which is (1) something lots of people have tried to do (2) an exercise in futility, because only some bits of DnD have ever been based on LotR. Gandalf is too skilled at fighting to be a typical dnd wizard, and his magic is mostly limited by the rules he was given when sent to middle earth, so we don't see him casting spells the way a game wizard would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] egrets@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) It sounds like you might be confusing him with Tom Bombadil? Tom seems to be the embodiment of the spirit of the land -- he's ancient and is totally unaffected by the Rings of Power, but he's tied to his domain. He doesn't appear in the movies, but Treebeard in the extended editions takes on some of his lines and characteristics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Gandalf is a Maiar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Of course, but no one that I've ever come across says that he "isn't a wizard". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Gandalf is a Maiar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Of course, but no one that I've ever come across says that he "isn't a wizard". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] egrets@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Of course, but no one that I've ever come across says that he "isn't a wizard". permalink fedilink source parent