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"You'll own nothing and you'll be happy" (lemmy.world)
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[–] 29 points 4 months ago (44 children)

With a CD you had the option to play on an airgapped ps4

Also, the problem is not digital but not being able to transfer your license, etc

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  • [+] -14 points 4 months ago (43 children)

    But ps4 is old, yes? Does it still get new games? And can you just give me your disc and then it's my game? If yes, I can't imagine that this would be around any longer. You must not own things.

    My wife has a switch and this thing is just shit. Expensive crap games bound to your account. Most are just codes anyway.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    PS4 still gets new games, yes. Even physical ones.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Nice. But still. This will end in the next 1-2yrs I assume, as one is urged to upgrade to the ps5?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Then why ask if all games will run offline forever? You clearly don’t care if your games will run offline forever if you think that the next console has any bearing on the matter.

    You must be young. I still have my PlayStation 2 from when I was a kid. Works with every game I ever got for it. Same for n64, game boy, etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ps2 is truly a beast. I have a ton of ps1 and ps2 games I still play from time to time

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    My first and only console was an Atari 2600 with pong being the first ever played game. Guess the youngster is you 😉 Since then I was PC only. I like the option to own everything forever (pirated if no other means available) and archive it forever. Legally this option died 2 decades ago thanks to steam. So I just wondered why the big consoles still allow this.

    Run forever is nice, but it also ends with the end of your ps4 then. So "forever" is kinda bound to that life. My Atari cartridges are still here and might even still work, but no consoles left and why would I even after 4 decades.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Legally this option died 2 decades ago thanks to steam. So I just wondered why the big consoles still allow this.

    Huh? I don’t think Valve wrote any laws about this, or even lobbied for them.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No they didn't, they just relied on people prefering the "easy" way. Buy+download+play. But you can't trade your games. Your license is tied to you. Physical media died due to steam. Hence trading and ownership. There is just GOG left where you buy stuff which is DRM-free and yours forever. BUT only old titles and SOME newer.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That’s just providing better service than piracy, not any change in what is legal. Physical media is unrelated (or barely related)

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Dude I have a working 2600. I think. It worked 5 years ago but I don't have a good two bolt connector (idk what it's called. The one with two bolts) to hdmi convertor

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Awesome... Are there even adaptors? It was an analog antenna-signal. If there is one, it's probably not cheap. I dunno. If the cartridges still work after 40yrs is doubtful, isn't it? Got pacman, qbert, space invaders, star wars and whatnot lying in my old-stuff-shrine 😁

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    do you remember Montezuma's Revenge? i loved that game. also the one that had you plug in a 10-key thing to play some space game (i have lost the 10-key thing and the cart for that so idk)

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It just rings a bell, but that's about it. But I remember the early copy protections...like these paper wheels to scroll through symbols to enter a code before playing.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    turn to page 57 in the printed manual and read word 12 on line 5. that's the password.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh yes lol, and those. But they had to up their protection when we just included the scanned manual 😁

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    my favorites were: at the beginning of the game:

    **Please do not pirate this. We worked hard and could use some money"

    or something like that. The shareware version of Doom got me hooked on FPSes for a good decade though.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Oh yes. It even worked. I felt bad if I didn't pay. But also it wasn't that easy. For me, back then, only one big shop had games for those rare computers. And it was a 1hr drive with my bike....

    Oh yes...I still know the maps and cheatcodes by memory. I was there Gandalf, 3000 years ago!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Dude purple are still checking out ps4 games at the library. Old and good are not mutually exclusive. Usually we only remember the good old stuff. Music, movies, books, you name it

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    True. Yet when I tried to replay games I have the fondest of memories of, it often is just 99% nostalgia. Seeing all the flaws, the horrible ui, the missing QoL we just expect nowadays l etc. I don't care much for gfx, but it's hard to really get into those again. Music, yeah sure. Good music does not age. Movies...depends. Some age horribly 😁 For books I rarely find time, but they're timeless too.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (11 children)

    our imaginations were doing a lot more than we gave them credit for with some of those old ones.

    we liked writing lyrics to the mario brothers songs though. Mario Brothers 3 had "I am roy! The sailor boy! My life here is a joy! / I am roy! The sailor boy! My life here is a joy! / I like to eat rice (and cake) [repeated until you get back to I am Roy the sailor boy]" is probably the only one i remember

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    True that. I even enjoyed pong. 8 pixels, 3 of them moving 😁

    As the Atari was my last console, I never played a single Mario or Zelda...I have to admit that 😊

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    not even emulated? we have some gaming history to catch you up on

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Nope. On wifey switch she has breath of the wild. Would've loved to play this (probably) but it's controller-only and I horribly suck with those. Only non-time-critical and no reaction-based games are okay-ish. I never understood how people can be pretty good in competitive fps with those things and watch those with awe.

    I went from joystick to m+k. This is so wired in my brain, I never catched up with controllers.

    So there's not much motivation to emulate 😑

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    yeah i only do turn based games on emulation. i'm a quarter of the way through Xenogears (at the Aveh tournament, with the high speed text cheat on) on duckstation on my phone. i won't pressure you, just if you want to know some of my favorites i probably have a list somewhere

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Hehe, sure. Although my backlog is currently at 350 titles I really wanna play. The scarcity of the 80s and 99s really had its benefits...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    just look up a list of the best playstation 1, snes, and genesis RPGs and cross off anything that looks shitty to you. You're not allowed to cross off any of the final fantasies until you've played chrono trigger, which is uncrossoutable. yeah i'm sure that's a word.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    But dude...those are pretty reaction-happy, and with a controller I barely manage walking reliably. Unless the emulators can do controller=>m+k-conversion, my frustration-tolerance would be tested tremendouly :-) But hey, i at least played FF-online on PC, if that counts a lil

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    oh yeah, i played them all on a laptop. there are a lot of turn based ones rather than twitchy ones. esdf for the d-pad, jkui for the xaby, h for L, L for R, and i think i put start and select on < and > too. not much use for the mouse besides mariopaint

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Turn based is fine with a controller. Not my favourite but manageable. Worth a shot I guess

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I'm a big fan of the switch, since it can be emulated. Best way to play console games... wait a few years and have pretty much all of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    Can it? That's cool but I somehow wouldn't know why? For the exclusives? Are there even some? Isn't the only benefit of a switch to be super mobile? An emulator would be my 1st choice, but also defeats the whole purpose of a switch.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You'd literally just said the Switch was shit, which makes it sort of weird for you to follow that up with gripes that emulating those games in better quality would be less mobile.

    You're not nerding hard enough. It's ok, we slow down as we get older sometimes. If you have a nice connection at home and abroad you can use anything as a screen. You can play any PC game or emulated game running on your PC at home and streaming to a phone/tablet/screen connected to a bluetooth controller or one of those cases that snap around and add controls like a switch or steamdeck if you feel like it.

    Aside from that, yes, of course Nintendo consoles have a lot of great exclusives. They always have. That's not something new in the last several decades. The last several Zelda games have been amazing, and I'd much rather be playing them on a massive screen having been rendered at a much better resolution.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    To me, personally, the switch is total shit. Even if connected to our 240" screen it's fucking slow fps-wise and just looking dated. And seeing what she has to pay for games that maybe end with the life of the switch (dunno if the next iteration still could play them?)

    Sure, I can stream the emulated switch-game to whichever device, but when I'm already there I wouldn't know why I would prefer them over the tons of games I have at hand on the streaming-pc. The only exclusive that mildly interests me is breath of the wild. If the emulator could unlock fps and also offered a better resolution and m+k-input instead of controllers, I might even do that at some point.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Switch is still offline… you can play any game you got on a cartridge for forever with no problems, what are you drinking dude?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Unless we're talking Switch 2 game key cards. Those are just downloads you can trade. But at least Nintendo puts all of their own properties on full carts rather than game key cards (Pokopia aside; Gamefreak and Pokemon are technically not Nintendo).

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't drink. But also don't use the switch. Also I said most games are codes in a box with no cartridge. She only has one damn thing on a cartridge. Considering how much we paid for that tiny console and how expensive the games are, I wouldn't touch those with a 10m-pole. Would pay a bit more and get a steamdeck if I absolutely HAD to be mobile.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    $780 is not a "bit" more.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    It becomes neglectable if factoring in the ability to get vaaastly more games very cheap. I have bought like 15k games there. Can game them on the deck, Linux and windows. Mac too maybe, who cares. So the 780 covers my quarterly spending for games I could already play on it.

    Even if one would start fresh, you could get a ton of games free or very dirt-cheap where switch wants 60 moneyz.

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