▲ 60 ▼ China tells its ethnic minorities to integrate or face consequences with sweeping new unity law (edition.cnn.com) submitted 4 months ago by DamnianWayne@lemmy.world to c/world 71 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 22 points 4 months ago (20 children) That talk about ethnic unity sounds a bit right wingery permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 20 points 4 months ago (5 children) It’s just the same old ML supporting ethnic cleaning when it’s what they’re told to support. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Ah nice, you don’t know how to reply and start inventing shit. Very smart discussion. Still waiting to know how the law is bad eh… (͡•_ ͡• ) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 14 points 4 months ago You don’t know if you support this or not? Sounds like you heard “China” and came to argue without having a personal view. Before I answer your questions, I need to know where you stand on it. Or do you not have individual thoughts and feelings? permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (2 children) 'This is ethnic cleansing.' 'Yeah but why's it bad?' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 3 points 4 months ago Peak tankie take permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago The law says it’s ethnic cleansing or is it your fantasy interpretation? Mmm 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (13 children) The same right wings that tells you to hate brown people? These unity talk you mean? 🫤 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 18 points 4 months ago (11 children) The same one talking about ethnic unity within their preferred groups yeah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (10 children) Within and among are different words in English with different meanings but ok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (9 children) I'm guessing it's a translation issue since the law mandates using Mandarin etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Yes, as a main language not as only language. Again here English language did a trick ehehe sneaky little education… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 4 months ago (7 children) You're saying it's fine because they're forcing it as just the main language and not the only one..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago Yes, like American bigots screaming 'love it or leave it,' and 'stand for the flag, kneel for the cross,' or other demands to adopt an identity rooted in American nationality with allegiance to ethnic majority culture. The ones trying to make the majority language the only official primary language, even in communities where yeehaw jingoism has done considerable damage, or outright stolen entire nations' worth of land. The ones eager to project that, globally, as if sovereignty is when you get to say what people do in other countries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kibblebits 20 points 4 months ago (5 children) It’s just the same old ML supporting ethnic cleaning when it’s what they’re told to support. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Ah nice, you don’t know how to reply and start inventing shit. Very smart discussion. Still waiting to know how the law is bad eh… (͡•_ ͡• ) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 14 points 4 months ago You don’t know if you support this or not? Sounds like you heard “China” and came to argue without having a personal view. Before I answer your questions, I need to know where you stand on it. Or do you not have individual thoughts and feelings? permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (2 children) 'This is ethnic cleansing.' 'Yeah but why's it bad?' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 3 points 4 months ago Peak tankie take permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago The law says it’s ethnic cleansing or is it your fantasy interpretation? Mmm 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Ah nice, you don’t know how to reply and start inventing shit. Very smart discussion. Still waiting to know how the law is bad eh… (͡•_ ͡• ) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kibblebits 14 points 4 months ago You don’t know if you support this or not? Sounds like you heard “China” and came to argue without having a personal view. Before I answer your questions, I need to know where you stand on it. Or do you not have individual thoughts and feelings? permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (2 children) 'This is ethnic cleansing.' 'Yeah but why's it bad?' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 3 points 4 months ago Peak tankie take permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago The law says it’s ethnic cleansing or is it your fantasy interpretation? Mmm 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kibblebits 14 points 4 months ago You don’t know if you support this or not? Sounds like you heard “China” and came to argue without having a personal view. Before I answer your questions, I need to know where you stand on it. Or do you not have individual thoughts and feelings? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (2 children) 'This is ethnic cleansing.' 'Yeah but why's it bad?' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 3 points 4 months ago Peak tankie take permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago The law says it’s ethnic cleansing or is it your fantasy interpretation? Mmm 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 3 points 4 months ago Peak tankie take permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago The law says it’s ethnic cleansing or is it your fantasy interpretation? Mmm 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (13 children) The same right wings that tells you to hate brown people? These unity talk you mean? 🫤 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 18 points 4 months ago (11 children) The same one talking about ethnic unity within their preferred groups yeah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (10 children) Within and among are different words in English with different meanings but ok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (9 children) I'm guessing it's a translation issue since the law mandates using Mandarin etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Yes, as a main language not as only language. Again here English language did a trick ehehe sneaky little education… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 4 months ago (7 children) You're saying it's fine because they're forcing it as just the main language and not the only one..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago Yes, like American bigots screaming 'love it or leave it,' and 'stand for the flag, kneel for the cross,' or other demands to adopt an identity rooted in American nationality with allegiance to ethnic majority culture. The ones trying to make the majority language the only official primary language, even in communities where yeehaw jingoism has done considerable damage, or outright stolen entire nations' worth of land. The ones eager to project that, globally, as if sovereignty is when you get to say what people do in other countries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 18 points 4 months ago (11 children) The same one talking about ethnic unity within their preferred groups yeah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (10 children) Within and among are different words in English with different meanings but ok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (9 children) I'm guessing it's a translation issue since the law mandates using Mandarin etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Yes, as a main language not as only language. Again here English language did a trick ehehe sneaky little education… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 4 months ago (7 children) You're saying it's fine because they're forcing it as just the main language and not the only one..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (10 children) Within and among are different words in English with different meanings but ok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (9 children) I'm guessing it's a translation issue since the law mandates using Mandarin etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Yes, as a main language not as only language. Again here English language did a trick ehehe sneaky little education… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 4 months ago (7 children) You're saying it's fine because they're forcing it as just the main language and not the only one..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (9 children) I'm guessing it's a translation issue since the law mandates using Mandarin etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Yes, as a main language not as only language. Again here English language did a trick ehehe sneaky little education… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 4 months ago (7 children) You're saying it's fine because they're forcing it as just the main language and not the only one..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Yes, as a main language not as only language. Again here English language did a trick ehehe sneaky little education… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 4 months ago (7 children) You're saying it's fine because they're forcing it as just the main language and not the only one..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 8 points 4 months ago (7 children) You're saying it's fine because they're forcing it as just the main language and not the only one..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Can you live in your country (have a job, pay taxes, buy a house, raise kids) without using the official language of the state? In mine is not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago In mine it very much is, and it's extremely common. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* These communities existed before today, and seemed to be doing fine. The fact people can learn and use a language, without being raised to consider it their primary language, is what you think you're arguing. It would be nice if you meant anything by it besides "nuh uh." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Definitely yeah. Are you saying you shouldn't be able to do that or wdym permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Are you guys okay? You just say shit to air your mouth? Can you integrate into Germany without ever speaking German? Can you integrate in France without ever speaking French? Can you integrate in the US without ever speaking English? At one point you will have to learn the official language of the state you live in, you can keep yours but for material and technical purposes (think about the fkn taxes comon man!) you NEED to know at least the OFFICIAL language of the country. How the fuck is this controversial? This is basic shit good lord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago There are older Germans who have been living here for generations and don’t speak standard German. Germans learn it in school now, but not every school insisted on Hochdeutsch in the post-war period, especially in more rural areas. Generally they all understand standard German, but not all of them can produce it. Their children can often understand and produce both their dialect and standard German, but their grandchildren have mostly lost the ability to produce the dialect. It’s really sad to lose the diversity of dialects, and it’s a direct result of enforcing a standardized German dialect in schools and government institutions. China is geographically massive in comparison to Germany and has that much more to lose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 4 months ago* You are changing your question. First it was if you can live there without speaking the language. And that's easy. And we're talking about minorities in China, in some areas you'd be surrounded by a community who speak the same language as you so integration into that area isn't a problem at all. I mean right wingers push for mandatory language classes (and talk about ethnic unity). This is getting eery. And this is going further in that that it is forcing it as the primary language... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago Yes, like American bigots screaming 'love it or leave it,' and 'stand for the flag, kneel for the cross,' or other demands to adopt an identity rooted in American nationality with allegiance to ethnic majority culture. The ones trying to make the majority language the only official primary language, even in communities where yeehaw jingoism has done considerable damage, or outright stolen entire nations' worth of land. The ones eager to project that, globally, as if sovereignty is when you get to say what people do in other countries. permalink fedilink source parent