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Samsung wants SmartThings API users to pay, and Home Assistant could suffer (www.howtogeek.com)
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[–] 7 points 4 months ago (17 children)

A lot of SmartThings devices are not using Zwave, but like ovens connect via WiFi and communicate over their cloud

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Well you just have to learn the lesson of not buying cloud connected smarthome stuff the hard way sometimes.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    It is not critical by any means, utility of a dual-cook oven is nice, even when it’s not connected to smart home. And so doubt I should be getting any „lesson” from home appliances manufacturer, they should NOT be taking any functionality away. And I don’t believe there are many local only options (are there any you can list for this appliance type?).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)
    Oven Model Supported Local Protocol(s)
    Samsung Bespoke AI 7 Series Single Wall Oven (NV51CB700S12AA) Matter 1.3
    Samsung Bespoke AI Single Wall Oven (NV51CG700SSR) Matter 1.3
    Samsung Series 7 Dual Cook Steam Oven (NV7B7997AAK) Matter 1.3
    Bosch Series 8 Built-In Oven (HBG7741B1) Matter 1.3, Home Connect Local
    Bosch Series 8 Single Steam Oven (HSG7364B1B) Matter 1.3, Home Connect Local
    Bosch Series 8 Built-in Steam Oven (HSG7361B1) Home Connect Local
    Bosch Serie 8 Pyrolytic Oven (HRG6767S2A) Home Connect Local
    Siemens iQ700 Built-In Oven (HB676GBS1) Home Connect Local
    Siemens iQ700 Combi-Steam Oven (HN678G4S6) Home Connect Local
    Miele H 7000 Series Oven (H 7260 BP) Miele@LAN
    Miele H 7000 Series Oven (H 7464 BP) Miele@LAN
    Miele H 7000 Series Oven (H 7860 BP) Miele@LAN
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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Thanks for the list! What do they communicate over? Some proprietary protocol locally over WiFi, or are there any matter/Zigbee options?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Yeah, oven is the only one I have, by accident, and it’s disappointing - my goal was induction stove, double oven with air fryer, and ST was the only choice. It’s WiFi only, cloud app only, but there’s an HA integration to the cloud app

    Currently I get both ST and HA alerts when my oven is on but that’s the only useful feature. However neither interface works works well with the double oven feature

    • Even in ST the timer is always 30 minutes and never moves
    • even in ST it’s not clear what is on
    • even worse, the app has no extra features. For all the gadgets, it doesn’t offer complex programs like pumpkin pie where you have a series of temp/time combinations
    • at least it has a guardrail. I like that you control from the oven that remote access is read only. No one is going to turn my oven on remotely
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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    What the fuck do I need to connect my oven to my smarthome for?

    Been running Home Assistant for years. never once have I ever considered adding shit like my oven or fridge. The hell would I learn? Ovens get hot, fridges get cold? I could put a temp sensor in the fridge I guess and it would read the same temp all the time. Unless it is a total POS, it's not going to stop doing the ONE thing it does.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    In theory, it would be great to have your smart home be able to preheat your oven. Or to turn it off if you forgot to do so.

    I doubt any of these stop there though

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Seems great in theory and am pretty sure mine could. However the first thing I enabled was “no remote control”. It’s a dangerous idea to allow anyone to turn on the oven when no one is home. It’s a dangerous idea to trust the security of an appliance vendor with the safety of your family

    Actually I’m annoyed that it is a binary choice. I don’t want to let anyone turn on the stovetop/oven unattended. But I would prefer to be able to turn it off remotely if someone does. But disabling “burn down the house” mode also disables “stop it before it happens”

    It probably helps that this oven preheats very quickly. I don’t see being tempted to save a minute or two

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    And as for fridges I’d love if mine would report real (not just set) temperature. I’d learn about it failing last time it did, before it defrosted.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    @spitfire @aaaa My freezer has a door alarm. Great! Although... The door wasn't completely closed. Sufficiently closed for the alarm to think it was though. And while it's smart freezer (that's not allowed online) it's not smart enough to notice that the inside temperature is now above freezing. Remove the wifi gunk and add rudimentary safety features like this please!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Alerts can be good

    • did someone leave the door open?
    • did something happen so your food is no longer cold/safe?
    • is the stove unexpectedly on?

    Sure you can live without any of these. However from the number of times my cleaner turns on the stovetop, if I had little kids i might call it important. From the number of times my mom has left the stove on, if she lived here I might consider it important

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