▲ 85 ▼ We May Be Surrounded by Trillions of Conscious Beings, Research Suggests—And They Aren’t Human (www.popularmechanics.com) submitted 5 months ago by overstep8556@jlai.lu to c/science@lemmy.world 52 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Triumph@fedia.io 3 points 5 months ago (6 children) Source? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children) There isn’t enough hard science to prove it either way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (4 children) Then I choose to support the way that isn't woowoo space magic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) What is it about non-materialism that you guys seem to find so upsetting? Is it that it decenters your experience of the self? Is it the idea of unknowable truth? Its like I have attacked you personally by suggesting another way of looking at reality. Edit: One of the reasons I have rejected materialism/physicalism is that you can’t have free will under it. Its deterministic. I think most people, even those that turn to that way of thinking for comfort, find the idea of no free will disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I reject it for the same reason I am staunchly anti-religious: I think the acceptance of magical thinking is a net negative for society. Free will is overrated. It feels like we have it and whether it's real or not has no impact on our actions. You've traded one illusion for another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I would contend that believing all can be known is magical thinking on its own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 point 4 months ago That's why it's not a scientific theory, not since quantum physics is a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children) There isn’t enough hard science to prove it either way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (4 children) Then I choose to support the way that isn't woowoo space magic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) What is it about non-materialism that you guys seem to find so upsetting? Is it that it decenters your experience of the self? Is it the idea of unknowable truth? Its like I have attacked you personally by suggesting another way of looking at reality. Edit: One of the reasons I have rejected materialism/physicalism is that you can’t have free will under it. Its deterministic. I think most people, even those that turn to that way of thinking for comfort, find the idea of no free will disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I reject it for the same reason I am staunchly anti-religious: I think the acceptance of magical thinking is a net negative for society. Free will is overrated. It feels like we have it and whether it's real or not has no impact on our actions. You've traded one illusion for another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I would contend that believing all can be known is magical thinking on its own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 point 4 months ago That's why it's not a scientific theory, not since quantum physics is a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (4 children) Then I choose to support the way that isn't woowoo space magic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) What is it about non-materialism that you guys seem to find so upsetting? Is it that it decenters your experience of the self? Is it the idea of unknowable truth? Its like I have attacked you personally by suggesting another way of looking at reality. Edit: One of the reasons I have rejected materialism/physicalism is that you can’t have free will under it. Its deterministic. I think most people, even those that turn to that way of thinking for comfort, find the idea of no free will disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I reject it for the same reason I am staunchly anti-religious: I think the acceptance of magical thinking is a net negative for society. Free will is overrated. It feels like we have it and whether it's real or not has no impact on our actions. You've traded one illusion for another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I would contend that believing all can be known is magical thinking on its own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 point 4 months ago That's why it's not a scientific theory, not since quantum physics is a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) What is it about non-materialism that you guys seem to find so upsetting? Is it that it decenters your experience of the self? Is it the idea of unknowable truth? Its like I have attacked you personally by suggesting another way of looking at reality. Edit: One of the reasons I have rejected materialism/physicalism is that you can’t have free will under it. Its deterministic. I think most people, even those that turn to that way of thinking for comfort, find the idea of no free will disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I reject it for the same reason I am staunchly anti-religious: I think the acceptance of magical thinking is a net negative for society. Free will is overrated. It feels like we have it and whether it's real or not has no impact on our actions. You've traded one illusion for another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I would contend that believing all can be known is magical thinking on its own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 point 4 months ago That's why it's not a scientific theory, not since quantum physics is a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) I reject it for the same reason I am staunchly anti-religious: I think the acceptance of magical thinking is a net negative for society. Free will is overrated. It feels like we have it and whether it's real or not has no impact on our actions. You've traded one illusion for another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I would contend that believing all can be known is magical thinking on its own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 point 4 months ago That's why it's not a scientific theory, not since quantum physics is a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I would contend that believing all can be known is magical thinking on its own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 point 4 months ago That's why it's not a scientific theory, not since quantum physics is a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 point 4 months ago That's why it's not a scientific theory, not since quantum physics is a thing. permalink fedilink source parent