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What happened to the coverage of the epstein files? (mander.xyz)
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[–] -4 points 5 months ago (10 children)

How is this related to this conversation exactly ?

So because I dont condone killing random people I dont like or agree with, then I let the Holocaust happen ?

Are you sure you understand what my criticism of violence is ?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I don't believe there was any mention of violence against random people, the person you've been talking to definitely talked about organising.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Here is a quote of the original commenter I was responding to :

    and there's definitely gonna be a need for some more Luigi's to carry out those exceptional tasks that don't benefit from "too many cooks", but IMO we need the proletarian majority to *organize* and *collaborate* to overthrow the system.

    Is saying that we need more Luigi's to carry out exceptional tasks just "organising" ?

    So this is just non-violent organization ?

    And if you are referring to the other commenter he straight up said that sometimes we need a little bit of violence to make the world better.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know if you're just not understanding what is being said, it's a lot of effort to engage with you and I only made one comment!

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Well I don't know what you don't understand either.

    These Luigi's "exceptional tasks" are pretty explicit to me.

    The comment author is saying that we will need more Luigi Mangione to do targeted killings.

    I don't think it's ok to encourage people to do their own justice no matter the ideology and beliefs you have.

    it's a lot of effort to engage with you

    Hey you choose to do so. If you don't want to engage with a commenter, don't.

    I'm honestly just as confused as you on why nobody calls out someone that says that we will need more Luigi's type of assassinations to be done.

    Again, we have regularly people that are condemned by the justice system for such type of speech encouraging violence so for me it's pretty shocking to see how casually people talk about killing people in the street.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Are you sure you understand what my criticism of violence is ?

    naivety. or willful ignorance. you're from what, France? your very existence is the result of violence wrought upon millions of enslaved peoples. your nation still has enslaved colonies. and now you're turning your nose up at a little more violence to make the world a better place? you think this faux pacifism makes you a better person?

    you wallow in your bloody self-entitled privilege like a fat little genocidal piggy. the very least of violent leftist activists is a far better person than you will ever be, you self-righteous liberal hack.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm not responsible of my ancestors violence.

    It's a simple concept.

    You are blaming me for the violence other commited and then point out at the other commenter that encourage people to commit murder on people he doesn't like and now that is fine. I'm the bad guy here for being born in a country that commited atrocities in its past many generations before me. Should I blame modern Americans for the history of slavery of the country ? The whole argument is so dumb.

    A little more violence to make the world a better place?

    Sure thing. If anything can be collectively learned from our common history is that sometimes you just need a little bit more violence to make things right... What a joke.

    Violence brings... more violence. Also when people see someone dear to them getting assassinated, what do you think they will seek ? Revenge. More violence.

    I can absolutely respect any ideology as long as it respects human life. Saying people should be "luigi" because you think they are a bad human being is not ok. But again, for some people the death penalty is ok. For most countries in the world it's a barbaric practice that should have been long gone.

    So yeah, I will always call out people when they encourage for violence and especially when they quite literally encourage assassination without even a mere trial or any opportunity to defend themselves.

    It's so much simpler to just execute someone, nevermind if they might be innocent. And I dare you to tell me no innocent ever got the death penalty. And that was despite a ""trial"".

    But here you got an anarchist saying capitalists should be killed by others and that it is "self defence" because of their crime against climate and nobody bats a fucking eye. This is the new normal, let's eliminate people I don't like. And then you dare tell me that I would sit idle when the Holocaust comes ? But the way I see it, the holocaust is done and acted upon by people just like you. People that sit on the sideline and encourage others to do their violent bidding.

    If you want a revolution and to fight ideas, fight them with your own ideas. Killing a bunch of capitalists at random will not destroy the ideology. And no, a little bit more violence is not what we need to make the world a better place.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I’m not responsible of my ancestors violence.

    no, but you are responcible for the fact your country is still engaging in genocide today, and you're actively benefiting from that while also criticizing other people for engaging in violence.

    Should I blame modern Americans for the history of slavery of the country ?

    you absolutely should blame modern Americans for slavery. we just had our supreme court say it was constitutional to deprive black voters of their representation based upon race, and several states have taken up that offer to reduce the voting rights of black people by gerrymandering.

    Violence brings… more violence. Also when people see someone dear to them getting assassinated, what do you think they will seek ? Revenge. More violence.

    the irony of a free Frenchman saying something so profoundly stupid. your country is the birthplace of liberal democracy, spawned from a violent revolution against the regime in power. you're going to tell me you would rather still be a serf, because omg violence is icky?

    I can absolutely respect any ideology as long as it respects human life.

    and yet, you would strip people of their human right to self defense against those who are oppressing them. I can only imagine how disgusting your views on Palestine are. you surely do not support them, that is for certain. you can't support an oppressed people, and stand here and condemn violence. it's one or the other. either you support the human right to exist, or you support the oppressors. there is no middle ground.

    It’s so much simpler to just execute someone, nevermind if they might be innocent. And I dare you to tell me no innocent ever got the death penalty. And that was despite a “"trial"”.

    that CEO bragged about the record numbers of people that were declined lifesaving care under his authority. ** HE GLEEFULLY BRAGGED ABOUT LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE** . and here you are, inferring he was innocent. he was a mass murderer on an industrial scale. he was responsible for more deaths than any serial killer in all of history. for that matter, he probably killed more people than every serial killer from every country in all of history combined. that's the kind of person you're defending as innocent.

    But here you got an anarchist saying capitalists should be killed by others and that it is “self defence” because of their crime against climate and nobody bats a fucking eye.

    yes, capitalists should be killed. every single billionaire has the blood of thousands upon their hands. these are profoundly evil people. luckily for them, they have bootlickers like you to protect them. I don't know if you defend them because you are stupid enough to think you might one day be one of them, or if you defend them because you wish to be ruled so that you never have to accept personal responsibility for your own contribution to the atrocities you support, but either way it does not make you a good person.

    But the way I see it, the holocaust is done and acted upon by people just like you. People that sit on the sideline and encourage others to do their violent bidding.

    who said I sit on the sideline? you have no idea the things I do to harm capitalists. for all you know, I could have murdered someone myself. I don't fedpost, so you will never know. but one thing I will tell you, is that I sleep very soundly knowing that I have done my part to make the world a better place for my children.

    And no, a little bit more violence is not what we need to make the world a better place.

    every civil right in every country on earth was earned through the blood of people who used violence and civil disobedience to get it. it's pride month, and pride itself was a riot. a little more violence is EXACTLY what we need to make a better world. and the violence should not stop until every human being on the planet is liberated. and if you want to stand in the way of that, because of your love of capitalists, then you are an enemy of humanity.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    no, but you are responcible for the fact your country is still engaging in genocide today,

    Please elaborate on that.

    That will be fascinating (and humorous).

    Really, just that point. Tell me how I'm responsible. I need to know why I'm responsible of a continuing and past genocide.

    I will ignore further conversation because I know you will ridicule yourself answering just this specific point.

    Good luck.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    That will be fascinating (and humorous).

    yes, I imagine you'll laugh as you walk away, the same way the Democrats did at the DNC when confronted about the genocide in Gaza. liberals don't want to understand how their social structures not only enable but encourage the systemic violent repression of minorities. it's not that you're incapable of understanding, you just don't care. that repression fuels the privileged life you lead, so you're perfectly fine with the violence you engage in, so long as it's out of sight so you don't have to think about the people you're hurting. but on the off chance you aren't the typical liberal coward, why don't you get a viewpoint that's uniquely suited to your way of life by asking someone who lives in a French colony how you are responsible for continuing the oppression they face today.

    I will ignore further conversation

    in case it wasn't perfectly clear to you, the "you are an enemy of humanity" was me saying you're dismissed. you have absolutely nothing of worth to say. and by devaluing the lives of others, you have devalued your own existence. since you are nothing, say nothing, and spare us your racism.

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