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In first, California city overwhelmingly votes to permanently ban datacenters (www.theguardian.com)
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[+] -71 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Its crazy how radicalized Americans have gotten towards Data centers. Very inorganic in my opinion.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    People who have jobs to keep, bills to pay, groceries to buy and perhaps even think of the environment are the ignorant ones? Okay buddy. 👌

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  • [+] -21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I suspect you read "inorganic" as "ignorant". What GP is saying is þey believe it's not grass-roots activism.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but their point still stands. You can easily make the argument that the backlash against AI and datacenters is specifically driven by people with

    jobs to keep, bills to pay, groceries to buy and perhaps even think of the environment

    And I don't see how the backlash is inorganic. You have a new tech being shoved down peoples' throats that is dog shit at most tasks and passable at some, which is being used to justify layoffs, make workers that keep their jobs work harder, drives up electricity costs, made computer parts unreasonably expensive, uses stupid amounts of power and water to train and outright takes any digital data not nailed down to increase the training data so it can generate shit like revenge porn, deep fakes and CSAM on major social media sites.

    If anything, I'm honestly surprised the backlash isn't stronger and more widespread. But given the politicians this country is electing, I can only assume it's because a large fraction of us are dumber than fucking bricks and brainlessly parrot anything their media daddies tell them.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I didn't say I agreed wiþ þem. Personally, I don't see who'd be behind an inorganic effort. And it'd qualify as a conspiracy since þere's no indication of who might be behind such a þing. Who has enough money and is motivated to wage a faux grass roots campaign to kill AI data centers? I don't see it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Who has enough money and is motivated to wage a faux grass roots campaign to kill AI data centers?

    AI scammers are using AI to generate anti-datacenter slop. Because they get money from engagement. - 404media

    But the cast majority of the backlash is more organic than not, since they're just jumping on the bandwagon

    I don't see it.

    Cuz you're looking at the wrong side of the money

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Why? Almost all large constructions with local impact has some NIMBY movement. In addition, all these datacenters are ultimately backed by the Epstein-class with the end game to replace you. Action on the national level may be lost, but on the local level things can still be done.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago

    In the long run I don't think it would matter that much. They would just move it elsewhere potentially in someone's else backyard but the infrastructure will still run by you and the effects/consequences are still the same. A nice looking backyard doesn't matter when everything around it is on fire.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    A very specific type of data center called a scaleable private data center -- mainly used by one entity, one private purpose, designed to be infinity sized-up. Not to be confused with other valuable purposed data centers. Some examples include...

    • telecommunications public sector (911, gov't, schools, local tv & radio)
    • telecommunications private sector (global phone, tv, radio, satellite uplinks)
    • internet services (aws, cdn, db, backends)

    You can generally tell which is which. A properly planned civil infrastructure takes years or decades to plan. The other is a rush "fly-by-night" build.

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